Hooknswoop 19 #326 July 6, 2016 QuoteI find that sickening. That is because you are looking at the issue emotionally and not logically. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #327 July 6, 2016 I don't feel "unsafe" anywhere I go to be honest. I'm not paranoid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #328 July 6, 2016 QuoteI don't feel "unsafe" anywhere I go to be honest. I'm not paranoid. Are you calling Kallend paranoid because he; "wouldn't go into Englewood, Garfield Park or Austin after dark."? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #329 July 6, 2016 Not in the least. I've been pretty lucky in a few large cities while not knowing where I was. Including South Chicago a few times. I wouldn't describe the feeling of unsafe though. Foolish or risky maybe, but not unsafe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #330 July 6, 2016 How are these: Quote1. Uniformity, so you can't avoid them simply by crossing a city boundary or state line. 2. Universality, so you can't avoid them by buying over the internet. 3. Record keeping. 4. Mandatory reporting of stolen firearms. 5. Mandatory gun safety classes at regular intervals (say every 2 years, like for pilot licenses) Supposed to fix this: QuoteYes. The shootings are overwhelmingly gang bangers offing each other in retaliation for being "dissed", and are located in a few neighborhoods in the city and a couple of suburbs. Unfortunately their marksmanship is none too good and neighbors get hit too. Almost all black on black. I wouldn't go into Englewood, Garfield Park or Austin after dark. I'd go pretty much anywhere else in the city. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #331 July 6, 2016 QuoteFoolish or risky maybe, but not unsafe. Unsafe is a synonym for risky. risk·y ˈriskē/Submit adjective full of the possibility of danger, failure, or loss. "it was much too risky to try to disarm him" synonyms: dangerous, hazardous, perilous, high-risk, fraught with danger, unsafe, insecure, precarious, touch-and-go, treacherous, parlous; More Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #332 July 6, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteI find that sickening. That is because you are looking at the issue emotionally and not logically. Derek V Nah, not really. Being fine with the highest murder and mass shooting rates in the civilized world just so you can walk around with a gun is sickening. The fact you need a gun to feel safe in your society is sickening. The fact that you will sacrifice people to hold on to the idiotic belief you are going to be able to overthrow your government, is sickening or just plain stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #334 July 6, 2016 Agreed. It also came to mind today when someone at work mentioned some new poll numbers for "Proud to be an American" (whatever that is interpreted as). I thought, sure I'm proud to be an American, but it's god damn embarrassing these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #335 July 6, 2016 normissAgreed. It also came to mind today when someone at work mentioned some new poll numbers for "Proud to be an American" (whatever that is interpreted as). I thought, sure I'm proud to be an American, but it's god damn embarrassing these days. The USA has had the world's most powerful military continuously since the end of WW2. In that time: Korea - stalemate. Vietnam - total screw-up Iraq 1 - success against a far far weaker opponent Afghanistan - chance of success blown by shift of focus to... Iraq 2 - Initial success followed by a total shambles due to ineptitude. Not a great record considering the amount of treasure invested by the taxpayers. Meanwhile our infrastructure is crumbling, our kids educations are suffering from lack of investment, our police seem out of control...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #336 July 6, 2016 DC has their collective heads up their asses as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #337 July 6, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteI find that sickening. That is because you are looking at the issue emotionally and not logically. Derek VOut of curiosity, how many dead people are OK with you? How many crippled? I realize "0" is not a realistic number, but what is, in your "logical" mind? BTW I think it's interesting that you agreed the DUI laws were not a good proxy for laws related to the use of guns to commit crime, yet you keep on bringing up that same argument. What's up with that? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #338 July 6, 2016 QuoteOut of curiosity, how many dead people are OK with you? How many crippled? I realize "0" is not a realistic number, but what is, in your "logical" mind? I think the current rate is fine. I would be all for reducing it as long as restrictions on the 2nd are not increased. Unless you are drug dealer, gang banger, etc., your odds of getting shot are extremely low. I have a 1 in 133 chance of dying in a automobile accident. I have a 1 in 358 chance of dying by assault with a firearm. It is odd that several anti-gunners in this thread have posted they don't feel unsafe walking around anywhere or 99% of Chicago, yet want more gun control laws. I do not believe more gun laws will make us safer. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/ QuoteBTW I think it's interesting that you agreed the DUI laws were not a good proxy for laws related to the use of guns to commit crime, yet you keep on bringing up that same argument. What's up with that? I don't think education, enforcement, and stiffer penalties is a cure- all, but it would have an impact. The gang banager won't be affected much, except by the enforcement. Increased police patrols in rough neighborhoods would have an impact. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #339 July 6, 2016 HooknswoopThe gang banager won't be affected much, except by the enforcement. Increased police patrols in rough neighborhoods would have an impact. So would outreach programs to the same neighborhoods. Find a way to improve the kids outlook on life and then they become better adults. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #340 July 6, 2016 How are poor inner city neighborhoods with no jobs, liquor stores, and police harassment not a positive environment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #341 July 6, 2016 normissHow are poor inner city neighborhoods with no jobs, liquor stores, and police harassment not a positive environment? exactly - though I have nothing against liquor stores personally..... another poster brings this up in gun threads, but I don't think people even read his posts before hacking on him - I don't recall who, but this particular point is chronically ignored ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #342 July 6, 2016 QuoteI have a 1 in 133 chance of dying in a automobile accident. I have a 1 in 358 chance of dying by assault with a firearm. What are the chances of dying by firearm in general? I noticed you just used 'assault'. How about adding the stats of suicide and accidental shooting?“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #343 July 7, 2016 HooknswoopGood talk. Thank god the 2nd amendment kept this guy safe from the government. http://www.citypages.com/news/graphic-video-shows-black-man-bleeding-after-police-shooting-in-falcon-heights-video-8415016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #344 July 7, 2016 Again? "Show me your ID." [Blam blam blam!] "He was reaching for something!" Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #345 July 7, 2016 jakee Again? "Show me your ID." [Blam blam blam!] "He was reaching for something!" It was a highly stressful situation, the man did have a broken tail light after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #346 July 7, 2016 QuoteThank god the 2nd amendment kept this guy safe from the government. If that is what you think, then you do not understand the 2nd amendment. Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #347 July 7, 2016 HooknswoopQuoteThank god the 2nd amendment kept this guy safe from the government. If that is what you think, then you do not understand the 2nd amendment. Derek V An armed populace is supposed to prevent a government from getting out of control. It appears to have really worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #348 July 7, 2016 QuoteAn armed populace is supposed to prevent a government from getting out of control. It appears to have really worked. The US government is out of control? Derek V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #349 July 7, 2016 Who said US government. Are you implying an armed populace would only keep the federal government under control, but would have no effect on municipal governments? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #350 July 7, 2016 SkyDekkerWho said US government. Are you implying an armed populace would only keep the federal government under control, but would have no effect on municipal governments? You still show that you have little understanding of the second amendment.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites