Law Enforcement Exemptions Unconstitutional?

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SkyDekker

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Do you think it should be a higher crime to assault Joe Blow, or You, or VP Biden?

Actually, no I don't. Mostly because if we are all subjected to the same levels of protection (especially politicians) then maybe we can have a serious discussion about what constitutes "Adequate self protection."

I am willing to let the politicians continue to have there armed guards though. They just can't carry anything more than what I'm allowed to carry....

Fuck you if you say I can't have a gun or only carry a 6-shooter while you are surrounded by full auto assault rifles, .50 cal sniper rifles, sub-machine guns, and any other form of belt fed happiness.....

I am so thankful I live in a society where this simply isn't that big an issue.

Yep, you have already given up your right to self defense and submitted to your politicians....

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[normiss 622]

Not everyone has their tin foil so tight they feel the need to carry a weapon all the time, everywhere.

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normiss

Not everyone has their tin foil so tight they feel the need to carry a weapon all the time, everywhere.

Yep, especially politicians that need to have a brigade of goons carrying fully automatic, sub-assault, belt fed, high explosive, hi-velocity, desert eagle .50 public assault death rays.... while dressed in body armor.....every where they go.

Do also need a tin foil hat? Seriously, Presidential assassination attempts are so 30 years ago.....

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[wmw999 2,123]

How many politicians actually do that? There have, in fact, been presidents assassinated, or attempted, with some regularity. Given the upheaval of a death-caused transition in the presidency, I'd see it as perfectly reasonable insurance.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

How many politicians actually do that? There have, in fact, been presidents assassinated, or attempted, with some regularity. Given the upheaval of a death-caused transition in the presidency, I'd see it as perfectly reasonable insurance.

Wendy P.

Hi Wendy,

4 months ago there was a murder in my county. Am I a tin foil hat wearer for wanting to protect my self and my family? Am I a nut job for wanting the same tools available to me that are available to the people that are supposed to serve me?

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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[SkyDekker 1,123]

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Yep, you have already given up your right to self defense and submitted to your politicians.

Yes, we are such push overs, our society is identical to China or maybe even North Korea.

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that are supposed to serve me?

They don't serve you, they serve the community.

Do you feel everybody should have the same things in a community?

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SkyDekker

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Yep, you have already given up your right to self defense and submitted to your politicians.

Yes, we are such push overs, our society is identical to China or maybe even North Korea.

As long as you can freely admit that your plan of action for if your wife/girlfriend/ daughter or any other member of you family was getting raped by 4 felons your plan of action is to tell them to "relax and try to enjoy it until you can call for help..."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/11/us/new-york-park-gang-rape/

That's what a gun free zone looks like.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[SkyDekker 1,123]

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As long as you can freely admit that your plan of action for if your wife/girlfriend/ daughter or any other member of you family was getting raped by 4 felons your plan of action is to tell them to "relax and try to enjoy it until you can call for help..."

The odds of a deadly accident with a firearm in the house are greater than the odds of my family getting raped by 4 felons.

I care for my family and like to keep the odds of them getting harmed as low as possible.

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SkyDekker

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As long as you can freely admit that your plan of action for if your wife/girlfriend/ daughter or any other member of you family was getting raped by 4 felons your plan of action is to tell them to "relax and try to enjoy it until you can call for help..."

The odds of a deadly accident with a firearm in the house are greater than the odds of my family getting raped by 4 felons.

I care for my family and like to keep the odds of them getting harmed as low as possible.

I bet you bought a lottery ticket at least once, didn't you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[wmw999 2,123]

It's all about risk management and risk vs reward decisions.
The downside to buying a lotto ticket is losing $1 or so. The downside to having a loaded handgun in the house is an accidental shooting. The downside to not having one is a home invasion. One can mitigate against either of those events.

How many of you with guns for protection spend on really good locks, bars on the windows, and 24-hr video monitoring? Those all help to mitigate the threat you're so concerned about. Of course, there is the risk of fire trapping you with the barred windows...

And those without guns, have you measured the local police reaction times? Is your house the least interesting one on the block?

Calling someone a pussy who doesn't care about their family is stupid, and says very little about the target, but lots about the name-called. Generally only the womenfolk are mentioned -- are men really worth less?

I realize that SC is not where one should tell people to grow the fuck up, but grow the fuck up.

I picked skydekker's post for reply because it has both the point and counterpoint. I don't recall his having called someone a pussy.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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As long as you can freely admit that your plan of action for if your wife/girlfriend/ daughter or any other member of you family was getting raped by 4 felons your plan of action is to tell them to "relax and try to enjoy it until you can call for help..."

The odds of a deadly accident with a firearm in the house are greater than the odds of my family getting raped by 4 felons.

I care for my family and like to keep the odds of them getting harmed as low as possible.

I bet you bought a lottery ticket at least once, didn't you?

I will for this week's powerball since at this jackpot range the ticket is worth more than the cost of the ticket.

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Sorry Wendy......

But he started it calling me a tin Foil hat wearer!!!!!! Now that I've got the childish stuff out of the way....

I completely reject the idea that anyone who keeps a gun in the house is gonna get shot. A gun is an inanimate object. This idea that we should fear a tool is completely asinine....

I really hate the argument "If you keep a gun in your house you are XXX more times likely to get shot." That same argument can be made about cars, pools, skydiving, crossing the street, and everything else we do in life, but that is not an excuse to stop living. We just act as responsible adults and learn to mitigate the risks in the things we do.

For me, gun ownership is about mitigating risk. I've gone to a lot of dangerous places and done a lot of dangerous things. Even growing up in Alaska at the age of 12 I had a .44 magnum on my hip. My parents were more worried about me getting eaten by a bear than shooting my self. But I've been taught gun safety by the age of 5 and it's a part of life. I see the utility in guns because they have saved my life many times.

I'm not going to out source the safety of my family to someone else. It's my responsibility to keep them self until police arrive. They are alway just minutes away when seconds count, as the father in the article I posted above found out.....

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SkyDekker

The odds of a deadly accident with a firearm in the house are greater than the odds of my family getting raped by 4 felons.

I care for my family and like to keep the odds of them getting harmed as low as possible.

Hoplophobia- the morbid fear of guns...

http://www.gunlaws.com/Hoplophobia-GunFear.htm

One can never have a rational debate about guns with someone suffering from this condition. It's like talking to my wife about spiders.

Of course, the entire liberal population suffers from it.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[SkyDekker 1,123]

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But he started it calling me a tin Foil hat wearer!!!!!!

I didn't.

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I completely reject the idea that anyone who keeps a gun in the house is gonna get shot. A gun is an inanimate object. This idea that we should fear a tool is completely asinine....

Why are you equating statistics with fear? The fact that the risk of getting shot goes up and one decides to take that into account says nothing about fear of guns.

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For me, gun ownership is about mitigating risk.

That's a great way of looking at it. Too bad you are unwilling to look at it in any unbiased form and refuse to admit risk associated to gun ownership.

Lastly, anecdote and date are not the same thing.

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jgoose71

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The odds of a deadly accident with a firearm in the house are greater than the odds of my family getting raped by 4 felons.

I care for my family and like to keep the odds of them getting harmed as low as possible.

Hoplophobia- the morbid fear of guns...

http://www.gunlaws.com/Hoplophobia-GunFear.htm

One can never have a rational debate about guns with someone suffering from this condition. It's like talking to my wife about spiders.

Of course, the entire liberal population suffers from it.

If you think that response is rational, then indeed any debate is impossible.

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SkyDekker

That's a great way of looking at it. Too bad you are unwilling to look at it in any unbiased form and refuse to admit risk associated to gun ownership.

Lastly, anecdote and date are not the same thing.

There is risk in everything we do in life, but as I said, you don't stop living. And I'm not going to assign as much risk to gun owner ship as you though because....

A: I have owed a gun and been shooting for over 40 years now and I am very familiar with gun safety and know how to mitigate those risks.

B: Having a gun on me in the things I do increases my safety.

C: I'm not a Hoplophobe.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[SkyDekker 1,123]

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There is risk in everything we do in life, but as I said, you don't stop living.

Yet here you are spending a lot of time and effort on a very minimal risk deriding those who feel the risk is small enough that they can just go on living.

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SkyDekker

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There is risk in everything we do in life, but as I said, you don't stop living.

Yet here you are spending a lot of time and effort on a very minimal risk deriding those who feel the risk is small enough that they can just go on living.

Then just go on living then and leave my guns alone.

You may not see the utility in them and choose not to have them for what ever reason, But for some of us, our life is a lot more dangerous without them. Some of us even rely on them to feed our families and get along with our day to day lives.

If you are after my guns, you need to see a doctor.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[jakee 1,256]

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I completely reject the idea that anyone who keeps a gun in the house is gonna get shot.

Of course you do, it's blindingly obvious that claim isn't true.

Bit of a non-sequitur to bring it up though, since no-one claimed it in the first place.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I completely reject the idea that anyone who keeps a gun in the house is gonna get shot.

Of course you do, it's blindingly obvious that claim isn't true.

Bit of a non-sequitur to bring it up though, since no-one claimed it in the first place.

Yes they do. It's the end state of the argument "If you own a gun you are XXX times more likely to get shot" all the Hoplophobes always bring up.

If they didn't think they were going to get shot just by looking at a gun or being in the presence of one, why do they keep using this argument and insists they will never buy a gun?

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[wmw999 2,123]

The claim that everyone with a gun will shoot themselves is made by no one who's not trying to set up a straw man. The claim that it increases the chances are borne out by the truth.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I'm not a Hoplophobe.

Is there a word to describe the fear of losing your guns?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/how-risky-is-it-really/201510/the-gun-fight-fear-loss-freedom-trumps-fear-guns

This explains how the fear of losing your gun can be greater than your fear of being shot. The relative odds of either event are not at all relevant to anyone's feelings.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

Is there a word to describe the fear of losing your guns?

It's not really about the fear of losing our guns - I reckon many wouldn't just give them up, right? That's like the whole point of the second amendment - it's like a fail safe.

The real fear is loosing the second amendment to future generations that are too young and naive to understand it's significance - as if they are hypnotized by liberal shades of rose-colored kaleidoscope lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sexoN2XEG90

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wmw999

It's all about risk management and risk vs reward decisions.
The downside to buying a lotto ticket is losing $1 or so. The downside to having a loaded handgun in the house is an accidental shooting. The downside to not having one is a home invasion. One can mitigate against either of those events.

How many of you with guns for protection spend on really good locks, bars on the windows, and 24-hr video monitoring? Those all help to mitigate the threat you're so concerned about. Of course, there is the risk of fire trapping you with the barred windows...

I have never bought a lottery ticket, and lived in a casino for months (when on assignment in Reno, that's the cheapest place to stay) without ever placing a bet.

I live with a 5 year old, so there are zero firearms present, loaded or unloaded. The closest he has to a toy gun is a Super Soaker that can't be confused with something that goes bang, and the only time I can think of him touching a toy gun is in the Valley Forge gift shop. If he wants to tell his mates about the bows or crossbows, fine, but none of them could draw one of mine if their lives depended on it.

He knows not to screw with any of the knives, since anything in the kitchen tends to be razor sharp and he's squeamish about being badly cut.

We do, of course, have an extensive alarm system, including 24 hr. video monitoring. We have a variety of safes hither and yon, easily accessible windows are barred, and we have means of emergency egress from the living quarters.

Any avenues of approach are covered by motion-sensing floodlights, so one could mow the lawn at night with adequate lighting, and anyone's arrival is announced.

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And those without guns, have you measured the local police reaction times? Is your house the least interesting one on the block?

I live across the street from the block containing the police station, so their arrival can be conveniently measured in seconds. The house is situated so that surreptitious egress is as difficult as unannounced arrival.

If I was looking for a venue for alternative shopping, I would not pick this one.

Firearms are like emergency parachutes, better to have and not need than to need and not have. Also, if you actually require either, you are in pretty deep kimchee and it might not do you much good anyway.


BSBD,

Winsor