funjumper101 15 #1 October 13, 2015 The lies about a "war on cops" spread by the copsuckers is a load of BULLSHIT. So is the lie spread by the copsuckers that being a police officer is an extremely dangerous profession. It isn't. The links that back up this posting are as follows - http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/#zS6ALy5OLpVGprOt.99 http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #2 October 13, 2015 Awww hell yeah I love me some drama posts. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JWest 0 #3 October 13, 2015 Yay! Information from 2012! How about you get something more relevant and then get back to us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #4 October 13, 2015 JWestYay! Information from 2012! How about you get something more relevant and then get back to us. Do you think that it has changed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #5 October 13, 2015 "copsuckers" is just going to get you the same response you always get: ignored. If you have a point to make, you'd do better to avoid the childish presentation. Also both your links go to exactly the same site, so you don't have links backing up the post, you only have link, and a histrionic one at that. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #6 October 14, 2015 funjumper101 So is the lie spread by the copsuckers that being a police officer is an extremely dangerous profession. It isn't. I think it can be considered as a dangerous profession. Even here in Switzerland they wear most of the time bullet protection. In some countries, being a pre-schooler is dangerouser. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #7 October 14, 2015 piisfish ***So is the lie spread by the copsuckers that being a police officer is an extremely dangerous profession. It isn't. I think it can be considered as a dangerous profession. Even here in Switzerland they wear most of the time bullet protection. In some countries, being a pre-schooler is dangerouser. Wait. Aren't guns banned there?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #8 October 15, 2015 GeorgiaDon"copsuckers" is just going to get you the same response you always get: ignored. If you have a point to make, you'd do better to avoid the childish presentation. Also both your links go to exactly the same site, so you don't have links backing up the post, you only have link, and a histrionic one at that. Don "Copsuckers" is an excellent new adjective that has come into use to describe the people who support all actions of LEOs, no matter how heinous or horrifying the LEOs behave. Unconditional support, no matter what the facts are. It is a very apt description that sums up that kind of person in one word. You don't have to like it or use it. I like it and I will use it. The accuracy of the adjective is 100%. There is a really short list of people whose opinions actually matter to me. No one on this board makes the cut. I don't care, not one bit, what you or anyone else here thinks of me. You aren't on the list. Deal with it. No one forces you to read or reply to what I post. You want links with proof? Here you go. More preschoolers shot than LEOs - http://www.businessinsider.com/guns-have-killed-more-preschoolers-than-police-officers-2015-10 http://m.snopes.com/preschoolers-killed-police/ LEOs not on top ten dangerous jobs - http://www.bankrate.com/finance/personal-finance/10-most-dangerous-jobs-us-1.aspx http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/ http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf Nicholas Kristof has been proven to be correct in his op-ed. My statement that the LEO profession is not in the list of the top ten most dangerous jobs is 100% accurate. Having been victimized by multiple LEOs conspiring to commit perjury and being convicted of crimes I did not do, based on the perjured testimony, did provide me an early education about the LEO profession. This occurred when I was a juvenile and the record is sealed. The lesson learned lasts forever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #9 October 15, 2015 funjumper101"Copsuckers" is an excellent new adjective that has come into use- 1) It's a noun. 2) [by whom?] Quote More preschoolers shot than LEOs http://www.businessinsider.com/guns-have-killed-more-preschoolers-than-police-officers-2015-10 3) Who cares? ...not "who cares if preschoolers are shot?" nor "who cares if police are shot?" mind you, but who cares about the statistic you've presented? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #10 October 15, 2015 That stat if true (and it may very well be), says nothing about LEOs or pre-schoolers. It does say a lot about a country with so many people who insist upon the right to treat the tools of war as toys. But of course to them those wounded children are just collateral damage in the fight to make the most of their 2nd amendment rights. Happiness is a warm gun.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #11 October 15, 2015 New York Hero Cop Drives Car and Simultaneously Performs CPR http://abcnews.go.com/US/york-cop-drives-car-saves-toddler-cpr-time/story?id=25974870 Hero cops hospitalized after saving baby from blaze http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/smoke-from-williamsburg-blaze-sends-2-hero-cops-to-hospital/ How One Hero Texas Cop With a .45-cal Glock Took Out Two Suspected Terrorists With Rifles, Body Armor http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/05/how-one-hero-texas-cop-with-a-45-cal-glock-took-out-two-gunmen-with-rifles-body-armor/ A Hero Among Heroes: A Boston Cop’s Story at the Marathon http://nation.time.com/2013/04/22/a-hero-among-heroes-a-boston-cops-story-at-the-marathon/ One off duty deputy’s incredibly heroic act http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/4540185-One-off-duty-deputys-incredibly-heroic-act/ Heroic Police Officer Carries Injured Dog to Safety - Incredibly Touching Scene http://www.godvine.com/read/carry-dog-289.html Hero police officer gives incredibly generous gifts so needy teen will have a proper home to go to http://rare.us/story/hero-police-officer-gives-bed-tv-and-wii-to-an-needy-teen/ BODY CAM CAPTURES HEROIC POLICE OFFICER RESCUING THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY FROM BURNING HOUSE http://redkingsingh.tv/incredible-body-cam-captures-heroic-police-officer-rescuing-three-year-old-boy-from-burning-house/ Fla. officer takes 10 rounds to save children, her own life http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/120351-Fla-officer-takes-10-rounds-to-save-children-her-own-life/ Brave Cop Handcuffs Himself To Suicidal Woman To Save Her Life Off-Duty NYPD Officer Breaks Wrist Constraints, Takes Bullet Thwarting Robbery Texas Deputy Rescues Two Women From Submerged Car Hero Cop Revived A Choking Toddler Kimberly Munley: The Hero Cop Who Ended The Fort Hood Rampage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hero-cop/ Police Officer of the Year's Heroics Caught on Dashcam http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-years-heroics-caught-dashcam/story?id=20661731 A Cleveland Police Officer's Heroic Attempt to Save a Black Life http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/a-cleveland-police-officers-heroic-attempt-to-save-a-black-life/409759/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #12 October 16, 2015 jbscout2002New York Hero Cop Drives Car and Simultaneously Performs CPR http://abcnews.go.com/US/york-cop-drives-car-saves-toddler-cpr-time/story?id=25974870 Hero cops hospitalized after saving baby from blaze http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/smoke-from-williamsburg-blaze-sends-2-hero-cops-to-hospital/ How One Hero Texas Cop With a .45-cal Glock Took Out Two Suspected Terrorists With Rifles, Body Armor http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/05/how-one-hero-texas-cop-with-a-45-cal-glock-took-out-two-gunmen-with-rifles-body-armor/ A Hero Among Heroes: A Boston Cop’s Story at the Marathon http://nation.time.com/2013/04/22/a-hero-among-heroes-a-boston-cops-story-at-the-marathon/ One off duty deputy’s incredibly heroic act http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/4540185-One-off-duty-deputys-incredibly-heroic-act/ Heroic Police Officer Carries Injured Dog to Safety - Incredibly Touching Scene http://www.godvine.com/read/carry-dog-289.html Hero police officer gives incredibly generous gifts so needy teen will have a proper home to go to http://rare.us/story/hero-police-officer-gives-bed-tv-and-wii-to-an-needy-teen/ BODY CAM CAPTURES HEROIC POLICE OFFICER RESCUING THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY FROM BURNING HOUSE http://redkingsingh.tv/incredible-body-cam-captures-heroic-police-officer-rescuing-three-year-old-boy-from-burning-house/ Fla. officer takes 10 rounds to save children, her own life http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/120351-Fla-officer-takes-10-rounds-to-save-children-her-own-life/ Brave Cop Handcuffs Himself To Suicidal Woman To Save Her Life Off-Duty NYPD Officer Breaks Wrist Constraints, Takes Bullet Thwarting Robbery Texas Deputy Rescues Two Women From Submerged Car Hero Cop Revived A Choking Toddler Kimberly Munley: The Hero Cop Who Ended The Fort Hood Rampage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hero-cop/ Police Officer of the Year's Heroics Caught on Dashcam http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-years-heroics-caught-dashcam/story?id=20661731 A Cleveland Police Officer's Heroic Attempt to Save a Black Life http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/a-cleveland-police-officers-heroic-attempt-to-save-a-black-life/409759/ We PAY cops to "serve and protect". Those actions are a reasonable expectation. We don't pay cops to shoot unarmed citizens, or choke them to death.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #13 October 16, 2015 kallend***New York Hero Cop Drives Car and Simultaneously Performs CPR http://abcnews.go.com/US/york-cop-drives-car-saves-toddler-cpr-time/story?id=25974870 Hero cops hospitalized after saving baby from blaze http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/smoke-from-williamsburg-blaze-sends-2-hero-cops-to-hospital/ How One Hero Texas Cop With a .45-cal Glock Took Out Two Suspected Terrorists With Rifles, Body Armor http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/05/how-one-hero-texas-cop-with-a-45-cal-glock-took-out-two-gunmen-with-rifles-body-armor/ A Hero Among Heroes: A Boston Cop’s Story at the Marathon http://nation.time.com/2013/04/22/a-hero-among-heroes-a-boston-cops-story-at-the-marathon/ One off duty deputy’s incredibly heroic act http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/4540185-One-off-duty-deputys-incredibly-heroic-act/ Heroic Police Officer Carries Injured Dog to Safety - Incredibly Touching Scene http://www.godvine.com/read/carry-dog-289.html Hero police officer gives incredibly generous gifts so needy teen will have a proper home to go to http://rare.us/story/hero-police-officer-gives-bed-tv-and-wii-to-an-needy-teen/ BODY CAM CAPTURES HEROIC POLICE OFFICER RESCUING THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY FROM BURNING HOUSE http://redkingsingh.tv/incredible-body-cam-captures-heroic-police-officer-rescuing-three-year-old-boy-from-burning-house/ Fla. officer takes 10 rounds to save children, her own life http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/120351-Fla-officer-takes-10-rounds-to-save-children-her-own-life/ Brave Cop Handcuffs Himself To Suicidal Woman To Save Her Life Off-Duty NYPD Officer Breaks Wrist Constraints, Takes Bullet Thwarting Robbery Texas Deputy Rescues Two Women From Submerged Car Hero Cop Revived A Choking Toddler Kimberly Munley: The Hero Cop Who Ended The Fort Hood Rampage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hero-cop/ Police Officer of the Year's Heroics Caught on Dashcam http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-years-heroics-caught-dashcam/story?id=20661731 A Cleveland Police Officer's Heroic Attempt to Save a Black Life http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/a-cleveland-police-officers-heroic-attempt-to-save-a-black-life/409759/ We PAY cops to "serve and protect". Those actions are a reasonable expectation. We don't pay cops to shoot unarmed citizens, or choke them to death. You are paid to teach physics, if you make a mistake and teach someone incorrectly, it could make them look like an idiot in front of their piers. If a cop makes a mistake and uses too much force, it might have a much higher impact on a life. But then you sit behind a desk, and the cops are out making life and death decisions every day. Are you so good that you never make any , mistakes?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #14 October 16, 2015 turtlespeedYou are paid to teach physics, if you make a mistake and teach someone incorrectly, it could make them look like an idiot in front of their piers. If a cop makes a mistake and uses too much force, it might have a much higher impact on a life. But then you sit behind a desk, and the cops are out making life and death decisions every day. Newton's second law, or a lack of appreciation thereof, kills a hell of a lot more people than police. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #15 October 16, 2015 turtlespeedAre you so good that you never make any , mistakes? This will never be answered, because he would try to change the rules of physics before admitting he made a mistake. When a police officer perceives a threat, he has milliseconds to react. In these situations you don't think, process, of reason what a proper response would be, your body reacts to the situation. Muscle memory will take over and he will do what he was trained to do through academy training drills and experience. Various shoot/no shoot scenarios and so forth. You can think of it like an AAD that fires in a descending airplane. The AAD fires when certain parameters are met. It isn't analyzing the possibility that something else could be causing those parameters, because if it took the time to do that, the jumper would die. That is what happens in the mind in a life and death situation. They say hindsight is always 20/20. After the fact, you have all the information from the event, you see the big picture, you analyze it with reasoning and logic. Everything is black and white, and it seems so clear to you that he fucked up. To the officer, at the time, in the grey area, in the moment, with information he had, which the parameters being met, he took action. There are very rare cases where cops are just shit bags and make bad judgment calls. They get punished for if. Most are awesome. Cops that react to preserve the life of themselves or others, who after the fact realize the parameters were set off by a false alarm, they have to life with it. They may hesitate in the future, second guess themselves, take unnecessary risks, become depressed, or suffer from PTSD. Fight or Flight To produce the fight-or-flight response, the hypothalamus activates two systems: the sympathetic nervous system and the adrenal-cortical system. The sympathetic nervous system uses nerve pathways to initiate reactions in the body, and the adrenal-cortical system uses the bloodstream. The combined effects of these two systems are the fight-or-flight response. When the hypothalamus tells the sympathetic nervous system to kick into gear, the overall effect is that the body speeds up, tenses up and becomes generally very alert. If there's a burglar at the door, you're going to have to take action -- and fast. The sympathetic nervous system sends out impulses to glands and smooth muscles and tells the adrenal medulla to release epinephrine (adrenaline) and norepinephrine (noradrenaline) into the bloodstream. These "stress hormones" cause several changes in the body, including an increase in heart rate and blood pressure. At the same time, the hypothalamus releases corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF) into the pituitary gland, activating the adrenal-cortical system. The pituitary gland (a major endocrine gland) secretes the hormone ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone). ACTH moves through the bloodstream and ultimately arrives at the adrenal cortex, where it activates the release of approximately 30 different hormones that get the body prepared to deal with a threat. The sudden flood of epinephrine, norepinephrine and dozens of other hormones causes changes in the body that include: heart rate and blood pressure increase pupils dilate to take in as much light as possible veins in skin constrict to send more blood to major muscle groups (responsible for the "chill" sometimes associated with fear -- less blood in the skin to keep it warm) blood-glucose level increases muscles tense up, energized by adrenaline and glucose (responsible for goose bumps -- when tiny muscles attached to each hair on surface of skin tense up, the hairs are forced upright, pulling skin with them) smooth muscle relaxes in order to allow more oxygen into the lungs nonessential systems (like digestion and immune system) shut down to allow more energy for emergency functions trouble focusing on small tasks (brain is directed to focus only on big picture in order to determine where threat is coming from) All of these physical responses are intended to help you survive a dangerous situation by preparing you to either run for your life or fight for your life (thus the term "fight or flight"). Fear -- and the fight-or-flight response in particular -- is an instinct that every animal possesses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #16 October 16, 2015 QuoteWhen a police officer perceives a threat, he has milliseconds to react. In these situations you don't think, process, of reason what a proper response would be, your body reacts to the situation. Muscle memory will take over and he will do what he was trained to do through academy training drills and experience. Various shoot/no shoot scenarios and so forth. All true. Except when they shoot some one for reaching for thei wallet, they are pre-empting their training. Their muscle memory fires based on what they think the outcome will be, not what the actual outcome is. That is a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #17 October 16, 2015 kallend***New York Hero Cop Drives Car and Simultaneously Performs CPR http://abcnews.go.com/US/york-cop-drives-car-saves-toddler-cpr-time/story?id=25974870 Hero cops hospitalized after saving baby from blaze http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/smoke-from-williamsburg-blaze-sends-2-hero-cops-to-hospital/ How One Hero Texas Cop With a .45-cal Glock Took Out Two Suspected Terrorists With Rifles, Body Armor http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/05/how-one-hero-texas-cop-with-a-45-cal-glock-took-out-two-gunmen-with-rifles-body-armor/ A Hero Among Heroes: A Boston Cop’s Story at the Marathon http://nation.time.com/2013/04/22/a-hero-among-heroes-a-boston-cops-story-at-the-marathon/ One off duty deputy’s incredibly heroic act http://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/4540185-One-off-duty-deputys-incredibly-heroic-act/ Heroic Police Officer Carries Injured Dog to Safety - Incredibly Touching Scene http://www.godvine.com/read/carry-dog-289.html Hero police officer gives incredibly generous gifts so needy teen will have a proper home to go to http://rare.us/story/hero-police-officer-gives-bed-tv-and-wii-to-an-needy-teen/ BODY CAM CAPTURES HEROIC POLICE OFFICER RESCUING THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY FROM BURNING HOUSE http://redkingsingh.tv/incredible-body-cam-captures-heroic-police-officer-rescuing-three-year-old-boy-from-burning-house/ Fla. officer takes 10 rounds to save children, her own life http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/120351-Fla-officer-takes-10-rounds-to-save-children-her-own-life/ Brave Cop Handcuffs Himself To Suicidal Woman To Save Her Life Off-Duty NYPD Officer Breaks Wrist Constraints, Takes Bullet Thwarting Robbery Texas Deputy Rescues Two Women From Submerged Car Hero Cop Revived A Choking Toddler Kimberly Munley: The Hero Cop Who Ended The Fort Hood Rampage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hero-cop/ Police Officer of the Year's Heroics Caught on Dashcam http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-years-heroics-caught-dashcam/story?id=20661731 A Cleveland Police Officer's Heroic Attempt to Save a Black Life http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/a-cleveland-police-officers-heroic-attempt-to-save-a-black-life/409759/ We PAY cops to "serve and protect". Those actions are a reasonable expectation. We don't pay cops to shoot unarmed citizens, or choke them to death. We don't pay cops to enter burning buildings and save children. We pay firefighters to do that. We don't pay cops to perform CPR or revive children. We pay paramedics and doctors to do that. We don't pay cops to get involved in teens lives and spend money out of pocket to provide them a better home environment. We pay social workers and rely on charities to do that. We don't pay cops to track an injured dog over a mile from a crash site, and carry it back to the family as a good deed. We don't pay anyone for that. We pay animal control who would eventually find the dog and euthanize it. We don't pay cops to save people from submerged vehicles. We pay firefighters on swift water rescue teams to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #18 October 16, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteWhen a police officer perceives a threat, he has milliseconds to react. In these situations you don't think, process, of reason what a proper response would be, your body reacts to the situation. Muscle memory will take over and he will do what he was trained to do through academy training drills and experience. Various shoot/no shoot scenarios and so forth. All true. Except when they shoot some one for reaching for thei wallet, they are pre-empting their training. Their muscle memory fires based on what they think the outcome will be, not what the actual outcome is. That is a problem. That's a case of having all the information after the fact. If you have someone suspected of a crime, and are telling them to keep their hands up, and they make a fast movement towards their waist, you have to react to what you are presented with. It's a really shitty situation. We have troops in operational theaters right now that are 18/19 years old making these decisions. Having been there many times, I can tell you that hind sight usually stings. Most often you are reacting to parameters that were met under false circumstances. The one time you second guess yourself, a car bomb can take out your entire platoon. His leaves you in a spot to pull the trigger, knowing that the likelihood of it being a real threat is low. It's no good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #19 October 16, 2015 QuoteThat's a case of having all the information after the fact. If you have someone suspected of a crime, and are telling them to keep their hands up, and they make a fast movement towards their waist, you have to react to what you are presented with. And you aren't supposed to use deadly force until certain parameters are met. If you cannot deal with those parameters, you shouldn't be a cop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #20 October 16, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteThat's a case of having all the information after the fact. If you have someone suspected of a crime, and are telling them to keep their hands up, and they make a fast movement towards their waist, you have to react to what you are presented with. And you aren't supposed to use deadly force until certain parameters are met. If you cannot deal with those parameters, you shouldn't be a cop. Absolutely. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify the cop if those parameters are met, i.e. perception that suspect is rapidly drawing a weapon, and then once additional information is available, it turned out that it wasn't a weapon. It's that grey area. Was the officers intent to murder someone after carefully evaluating that the action of reaching for a wallet gave him a good enough excuse to do so, or was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? This excludes cases like the one in a million in SC who shot an unarmed man multiple times in the back as he tried to retreat. That cop is in jail awaiting his murder trial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #21 October 16, 2015 I have a golden retriever who is looking for the limits of those parameters right now. My property is surrounded by corn fields which were just harvested. The farmer is spreading manure right now, so my dog just went and rolled himself in fresh poo mud. And it's chilly and windy out, so I have to wash him in the tub. Little bastard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #22 October 16, 2015 QuoteAbsolutely. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify the cop if those parameters are met, i.e. perception that suspect is rapidly drawing a weapon, and then once additional information is available, it turned out that it wasn't a weapon. Without a weapon present in that scenario, the parameters haven't been met and deadly force shouldn't have been used. Again, if you cannot except those parameters, then you shouldn't become a cop. Quoteor was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? There has to be an actual threat, not a perceived threat. He reached for a gun, when I saw the gun he shot him is fine with me. He reached for something and I thought it could be a gun, so I shot him. Not so fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #23 October 16, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteAbsolutely. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify the cop if those parameters are met, i.e. perception that suspect is rapidly drawing a weapon, and then once additional information is available, it turned out that it wasn't a weapon. Without a weapon present in that scenario, the parameters haven't been met and deadly force shouldn't have been used. Again, if you cannot except those parameters, then you shouldn't become a cop. ***or was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? There has to be an actual threat, not a perceived threat. He reached for a gun, when I saw the gun he shot him is fine with me. He reached for something and I thought it could be a gun, so I shot him. Not so fine. Cops who wait for you to finish your movement and visually process what is in your hand before making a decision to act and then acting on said decision don't tend to live very long. A better way is if the criminal suspect just complies with verbal commands and we stop persecuting the police for any little mistake that is made while trying to subdue an uncooperative criminal. As billvon would say, what is wrong with just obeying the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #24 October 16, 2015 jbscout2002***QuoteAbsolutely. I'm just saying we shouldn't crucify the cop if those parameters are met, i.e. perception that suspect is rapidly drawing a weapon, and then once additional information is available, it turned out that it wasn't a weapon. Without a weapon present in that scenario, the parameters haven't been met and deadly force shouldn't have been used. Again, if you cannot except those parameters, then you shouldn't become a cop. ***or was he reacting to a perceived threat as trained? There has to be an actual threat, not a perceived threat. He reached for a gun, when I saw the gun he shot him is fine with me. He reached for something and I thought it could be a gun, so I shot him. Not so fine. Cops who wait for you to finish your movement and visually process what is in your hand before making a decision to act and then acting on said decision don't tend to live very long. A better way is if the criminal suspect just complies with verbal commands and we stop persecuting the police for any little mistake that is made while trying to subdue an uncooperative criminal. As billvon would say, what is wrong with just obeying the law? You have to understand the mind set. For "them" It is much better to have a cop bleed to death lying on the ground shot, because he wasn't suspicious enough of the person that had a fast movement for something in his jacket. They much prefer cops get shot, stabbed, and killed.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #25 October 16, 2015 >Cops who wait for you to finish your movement and visually process what is in >your hand before making a decision to act and then acting on said decision >don't tend to live very long. And cops who do not wait to see what you are really doing before killing you should get a more appropriate job. Not everyone is cut out to be a cop. >As billvon would say, what is wrong with just obeying the law? Nothing at all. But if your response to someone who isn't obeying the law is to kill them, then you're not cut out for police work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
