2 journalists shot dead on live TV in Virginia.

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I think there's irony in publicizing every minute detail of these shooters' lives and panning through it all for hints or clues as to why they would ever do such a thing, or how to stop the next guy. Now their name, their story, and everything there is to know about them is heard by millions... ...including the next guy.

[Bolas 5]

kallend

******************Yes, in fact I have travelled pretty extensively.

How's Greece doing with that liberalism?

To stay on topic, Greece is doing well with FAR fewer nut job with gun murders than the US and they're doing it with less gun ownership per capita than the US by far as well.

Then, by Jove,let's emulate Greece.

Make the well off pay taxes for a change. Good idea. But let's skip the sex with goats.

Well
In the US the top 10% wage earners pay 68% of federal taxes

Do want them to pay more?

Of course he does.

A democrat will give the shirt off another's back in a heart beat.

Taxes were a lot higher when Eisenhower (R) was president.

Taxes were a lot higher when Nixon (R) was president.

The government was a lot smaller too.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[SkyDekker 1,128]

Bolas

*********************Yes, in fact I have travelled pretty extensively.

How's Greece doing with that liberalism?

To stay on topic, Greece is doing well with FAR fewer nut job with gun murders than the US and they're doing it with less gun ownership per capita than the US by far as well.

Then, by Jove,let's emulate Greece.

Make the well off pay taxes for a change. Good idea. But let's skip the sex with goats.

Well
In the US the top 10% wage earners pay 68% of federal taxes

Do want them to pay more?

Of course he does.

A democrat will give the shirt off another's back in a heart beat.

Taxes were a lot higher when Eisenhower (R) was president.

Taxes were a lot higher when Nixon (R) was president.

The government was a lot smaller too.

So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to run a much smaller government?

[billvon 2,402]

>So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to
>run a much smaller government?

Of course not. They needed those taxes to CREATE a bigger government.

[Bolas 5]

billvon

>So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to
>run a much smaller government?

Of course not. They needed those taxes to CREATE a bigger government.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Amazon 7]

Bolas

***>So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to
>run a much smaller government?

Of course not. They needed those taxes to CREATE a bigger government.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts.

As opposed to the last few wars where that was an alien idea.. just borrow more to have your cool war and make sure all your buddies get rich.

[Bolas 5]

Amazon

******>So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to
>run a much smaller government?

Of course not. They needed those taxes to CREATE a bigger government.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts.

As opposed to the last few wars where that was an alien idea.. just borrow more to have your cool war and make sure all your buddies get rich.

Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Amazon 7]

Bolas

*********>So you are saying those Republican administrations needed higher taxes to
>run a much smaller government?

Of course not. They needed those taxes to CREATE a bigger government.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts.

As opposed to the last few wars where that was an alien idea.. just borrow more to have your cool war and make sure all your buddies get rich.

Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years.

No shit Sherlock.. I even was fooled into voting for Saint Ronald promising to balance the budget.. back when he was pretending to be a fiscal conservative. I was really pissed that Carter had allowed the budget to get out of control after our excellent adventures in the SE Asian War Game and it rose to 700 BILLION dollars.

Then Saint Ronald went all stupid and tripled that during his term. But so many still believe in his promises... not in the reality of what he really did and what happened during his presidency.

[rehmwa 2]

Bolas

Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years.

Go back a lot farther - hell, Napolean thought he discovered the concept

go back a lot farther

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kallend 1,632]

rehmwa

***Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years.

Go back a lot farther - hell, Napolean thought he discovered the concept

go back a lot farther

Julius Caesar

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Amazon 7]

kallend

******Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years.

Go back a lot farther - hell, Napolean thought he discovered the concept

go back a lot farther

Julius Caesar

At least he was good at the pillaging aspect... spoils of war included enough loot and survivors to be sold off to make it profitable.

[Bolas 5]

Had the government size and spending stayed the same, the tax cuts would have worked. But, to get the tax cuts, HUGE deals were made that greatly increased spending hence the start of the great political and financial divide.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,124]

And had the population and issues stayed the same, and other countries stayed the same, then government wouldn't have grown as much.
Surprise -- nothing ever stays the same. Take it into account when planning, and accept that sometimes you'll be wrong. The problem when you're a government is how public it is, and all the second guessing. However, that's also the way it should be.

Maybe simple answers aren't always the best ones.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Bolas 5]

But that wasn't what happened.

The initial expansion at the time of the tax cuts was just political bargaining. The best of both worlds for all. Lower taxes and increased spending.

Prior to that, when expenses went up, so did taxes or some other collection method. When things stabilized or were paid off, taxes went down so all stayed in sync.

Once that divide was created, additional expense increases and tax cuts had no bearing on each other. Sure, some reps would say "how are we going to pay for it?" But that was never answered as the question was just vilified as opposition to whatever the program was.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.