RonD1120 60
I suffered from Major Depression with suicidal ideation for about eight years. Praise God I found a way out. I discovered some ways to deal with and manage it. Right now I am concerned about the 22 suicides per day committed by veterans. Some other veterans and I are working on an outreach.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
stayhigh 2
Some people have suicidal ideation though out their whole life. Ever since they can remember.
8 year is nothing compared to 20+ years of constant thoughts on suicide.
8 year is nothing compared to 20+ years of constant thoughts on suicide.
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RonD1120 60
Agreed
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
stayhigh 2
Emil Durkheim has a theory that there are four types of suicide.
Fatalistic
Altruistic
Anomic
Egotistic
Religion helps those who are egotistic, the group of people(church goers) gives the person support and sense of belonging to the person who feels suicidal.
In case of Brittany, that was fatalistic suicide.
Fatalistic
Altruistic
Anomic
Egotistic
Religion helps those who are egotistic, the group of people(church goers) gives the person support and sense of belonging to the person who feels suicidal.
In case of Brittany, that was fatalistic suicide.
Bernie Sanders for President 2016
lawrocket[Reply]unlike the terminally ill, their mental illness prevents them from making an informed decision to end their lives
Or, perhaps, they are absolutely informed and have, over a period of a whole life (perhaps 40 or 50 years) come to the conclusion that the balance is tilted toward ending it. They are more informed than anyone else about the negatives of life and about their continuing inability to cope with it and the positives that no longer outweigh the negatives.
ok - so what's the social policy that covers this?
Anyone over 60 is deemed competent to make the decision? Waiting periods (12 months of repeated month assertions of desire to do so?) Pysch eval by panel of 2 or 3 bodies to assess competency?
Given the biochemistry behind so many mental health issues, I'd have a hard time finding any scenario where society should endorse suicide for someone < 25. It does get better. Intense sorrow (wife or child dies) cause quite a few suicides, but also subside with time. Another 'no' scenario, IMO, due to diminished capacity.
JerryBaumchen 1,333
Hi Ron,
Good for you, use whatever works.
If one is to parse the data on suicides, I seem to remember reading that one of the largest groups are males over 60 yrs of age. Being lonely is not fun.
Jerry Baumchen
QuotePraise God I found a way out.
Good for you, use whatever works.
If one is to parse the data on suicides, I seem to remember reading that one of the largest groups are males over 60 yrs of age. Being lonely is not fun.
Jerry Baumchen
BIGUN 1,234
*** Right now I am concerned about the 22 suicides per day committed by veterans. Some other veterans and I are working on an outreach.
Most of those are WWII & Korean Veterans. In most cases, they've lost most of their friends, family and veteran buddies. But, you know most of this. Anyway, please check the website below to see if there's a "Vet Center" in your area. This is their specialty and is is nothing like the VA. There's not even any records kept for the VA. If ou can get them there, these people work tirelessly to assist the veteran whose threatened suicide. Your local Community Service Council or Medical Reserve Corps or Health Department offers free "Psychological First Aid" courses.
http://www.va.gov/directory/guide/vetcenter.asp?isFlash=0
They also need volunteers.
Good luck on your venture.
If you make a difference in just one life; you've made a difference.
Most of those are WWII & Korean Veterans. In most cases, they've lost most of their friends, family and veteran buddies. But, you know most of this. Anyway, please check the website below to see if there's a "Vet Center" in your area. This is their specialty and is is nothing like the VA. There's not even any records kept for the VA. If ou can get them there, these people work tirelessly to assist the veteran whose threatened suicide. Your local Community Service Council or Medical Reserve Corps or Health Department offers free "Psychological First Aid" courses.
http://www.va.gov/directory/guide/vetcenter.asp?isFlash=0
They also need volunteers.
Good luck on your venture.
If you make a difference in just one life; you've made a difference.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
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I don't think you understand what this is about.
Sure I do.
QuoteYou are viewing it as better or worse by some definitions. Most people cannot imagine why someone like Robin Williams - who had what most people would view to be everything - would off himself.
And if the service for assisted suicide were available to Robin Williams who suffered from anxiety and depression for most of his life, he may have offed himself in the early '90s and not experienced the joy of seeing great successes that followed in a number of films. He went through his low points and came back more than once. In the end, he made his choice. However, many who suffer from depression eventually find ways to cope and live a rewarding life.
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Because it's not that simple as better or worse. It's a mental pain that would make them choose to die rather than live. The continual viewing of a diseased mind as wholly different from a diseased body is part of the problem and not solution. Talk about a way to ensure that people feel even worse.
And many finish the job later on. Because it's not something that they can just get rid of, wish away. It's not a personality issue. It's a medical problem that in thousands of people every year proves fatal.
Perhaps a better solution for helping people with mental illness is to not destroy their lives if they ask for help. Rather than taking away rights and privileges for asking for help, how about treating depression like any other chronic medical problem.
I agree with the above -- especially about treating depression as a medical condition. And hardly any chronic medical problems are treated by offering the patient the option to end it all.
Assisted suicide should not be an easily, readily available option for those not suffering from terminal illness -- it should be a last resort arrived at after all else fails.
Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.
stayhigh 2
With over 7 billion people on earth, I feel like those 40000 Americans who ended their own life is insignificant.
Over half uses firearm to end it. Is it better for them to splatter their brain everywhere and have someone else see it/clean it up?
or is it better to offer them cleaner way to die? so the innocent bystander doesn't have to clean it up.
I feel like it will be traumatic for person to see someone hanging first thing in the morning. I'll be pissed if I walked outside and see someone hanging on the tree with their head bloated and shit and piss everywhere.
Over half uses firearm to end it. Is it better for them to splatter their brain everywhere and have someone else see it/clean it up?
or is it better to offer them cleaner way to die? so the innocent bystander doesn't have to clean it up.
I feel like it will be traumatic for person to see someone hanging first thing in the morning. I'll be pissed if I walked outside and see someone hanging on the tree with their head bloated and shit and piss everywhere.
Bernie Sanders for President 2016
Or, perhaps, they are absolutely informed and have, over a period of a whole life (perhaps 40 or 50 years) come to the conclusion that the balance is tilted toward ending it. They are more informed than anyone else about the negatives of life and about their continuing inability to cope with it and the positives that no longer outweigh the negatives.
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