New california gun control laws working like a champ

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(CNN) -- A gunman described as mentally disturbed and possibly bent on retribution sprayed bullets from a slow-moving car in a small Southern California college town, killing six people in a rampage called "premeditated mass murder," Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies said Saturday.

The gunman also died from a gunshot wound after his car crashed Friday night, police said. It was unclear if the fatal head wound was self-inflicted or the result of a firefight with police.

Seven people also were being treated in a hospital for gunshot wounds or traumatic injuries, including at least one who was in surgery, said sheriff's office spokeswoman Kelly Hoover.
"The sheriff's office has obtained and is currently analyzing written and video evidence that suggests this was a premeditated mass murder," Hoover said.

Hoover apparently was referring to a YouTube video titled "Retribution" posted by a young man. In the nearly seven-minute video, the young man rants about women who ignored or rejected him over the past eight years and warns that he will "punish you all for it."

"Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which I will have my revenge," the man says on the video.

The shootings occurred in Isla Vista near the University of California, Santa Barbara, in a crowded area bustling with activity on Memorial Day weekend.

"I don't recall hearing any screaming," witness Robert Johnson told CNN, describing the moment the gunman opened fire on people outside a deli. "It was at that point where I turned and ran in the opposite direction. ... There's a lot of confusion. Even shortly after this whole ordeal had ended, I think a lot of people didn't realize the magnitude of the situation."

The violence began and ended within minutes, from 9:27 p.m. when shots were reported to around 10 minutes later when police discovered the body of the suspected gunman, CNN affiliate KEYT-TV said. Authorities said there were nine separate crime scenes.

"Sheriff's deputies responded and found several victims suffering from gunshot wounds. As sheriff's deputies were attending to the victims and performing first aid, they were also receiving suspect information. Only minutes later, there were additional reports of shots fired in several other areas of Isla Vista," Hoover said.

U.S. law enforcement officials said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and FBI were assisting local police in the investigation, including trying to trace the handgun used and where the possible suspect obtained it.
Johnson told CNN he was standing on a corner when he heard what he thought were fireworks. Then a black BMW with tinted windows drove by and either slowed down or stopped outside a deli where as many as eight people were eating outside. Someone in the car opened fire.

"It all happened very quickly, but I think this happened to be the largest group on the street," he said. "It think it was just targeted because it was the largest group in the area."
People jumped up and ran, Johnson recalled.

KEYT reporter John Palminteri told CNN that some witnesses reported hearing the gunman talk to some of his victims as he fired. Outside a 7-11 convenience store, he said, workers came out amid the gunfire to pull to safety a girl who had been shot in the leg. Another victim, a bicyclist, apparently sustained massive head injuries after being struck by the gunman's car.

One woman told the station that a driver of a car flashed a gun at her and asked, "Hey, what's up?" before opening fire. She escaped unharmed.

"I heard some pops, but I just assumed they were fireworks," said Daniel Slovinsky, who was eating at a restaurant. "Contrary to what you might expect, there wasn't a whole lot of chaos immediately. I didn't hear any screaming. A few people were running. ... It wasn't really until police started yelling at people to get inside that we realized something big went down. But even then people didn't know what."
KEYT reported that "witnesses described seeing a black BMW speeding through the streets, spraying bullets at people and various targets." Six minutes after the first emergency call, the suspected gunman traded fire with sheriff's deputies, and the vehicle plowed into a parked vehicle, said Hoover, the sheriff's office spokeswoman.

The suspected gunman was found dead from an apparent gunshot wound, she said, adding that it wasn't clear whether the death was self-inflicted or whether deputies killed the suspected gunman. A semiautomatic handgun was recovered, she said.

It appears the suspect acted alone, Hoover said.
Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown called the suspect "severely mentally disturbed," according to KEYT.

Authorities searching for a motive were looking into a video posted on social media that contains a man's tirade against women who supposedly rebuffed him, Brown told the station. Hoover said the suspect has been preliminarily identified but his name won't be released until "a positive identification is made."

The identities of the victims won't be released until the next of kin are notified, she said

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Meanwhile in Houston . . .

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Deputies-confirm-shooting-death-at-motel-5498517.php

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-drive-by-shooting-targets-teen-girl-s-5487290.php

http://abc13.com/news/two-fatally-shot-at-southwest-houston-gas-station/60394/

http://www.khou.com/news/crime/HPD-3-found-shot-execution-style-in-NW-Houston-apartment-complex-256925151.html

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Man-and-woman-wounded-in-Houston-nightclub-5483061.php

My point? Gun out of control laws also don't seem to work too well.

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I know that facts tend not to be your strong point, let me help:

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#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3
Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5
Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6
Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9
Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5
Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4
Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9
Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6
Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1
Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2
Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7
Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5
Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5
Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

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California legislators' approach to gun control laws make the TSA's approach to airline security look top notch. Both are reactionary and respond to anecdotal events, but at least when someone tries to blow up a plane with a bomb in their shoe, the TSA starts x-raying shoes. The California Senate would just ban boots and gloves.

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champu

California legislators' approach to gun control laws make the TSA's approach to airline security look top notch. Both are reactionary and respond to anecdotal events, but at least when someone tries to blow up a plane with a bomb in their shoe, the TSA starts x-raying shoes. The California Senate would just ban boots and gloves.

Wasn't Ronald Reagan one of the first politicians to want to ban assault rifles.

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jclalor

***California legislators' approach to gun control laws make the TSA's approach to airline security look top notch. Both are reactionary and respond to anecdotal events, but at least when someone tries to blow up a plane with a bomb in their shoe, the TSA starts x-raying shoes. The California Senate would just ban boots and gloves.

Wasn't Ronald Reagan one of the first politicians to want to ban assault rifles.

How dare you sully the name of the great Saint Ronald RayGun with these attacks on the "truthiness" of our arch conservative minions around here.

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******California legislators' approach to gun control laws make the TSA's approach to airline security look top notch. Both are reactionary and respond to anecdotal events, but at least when someone tries to blow up a plane with a bomb in their shoe, the TSA starts x-raying shoes. The California Senate would just ban boots and gloves.

Wasn't Ronald Reagan one of the first politicians to want to ban assault rifles.

How dare you sully the name of the great Saint Ronald RayGun with these attacks on the "truthiness" of our arch conservative minions around here.
Somehow I suspect that you actually are a right winger, in the same sense that Steven Colbert is actually a left winger.

He plays a stereotypical 'conservative' nutcase in order to make the right look retarded.

I shudder to think that the persona you effect here might actually reflect your thought process.

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winsor

He plays a stereotypical 'conservative' nutcase in order to make the right look retarded.

And does such a good job of it, a LOT of high level right wingers didn't even vaguely understand it. For example, Colbert being invited to speak at the Washington Correspondents Dinner for Bush 43.

Briliant!

Colbert doesn't need to make some people look retarded. Nature beat him to that.

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#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

Having to be in Mississippi for the next 3 to 4 weeks (doing an inspection on Kansas City Southern rail) kinda has me wishing that I had brought a gun!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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At least you're not in Chicago...

We are all engines of karma

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So where were all the right-to-carry, NRA advocates???

When it comes to defend us from the gun crazies, they are nowhere to be found. Seems to me, that handing out guns to everyone in the name of the second amendment is not such a great idea.

I can tell you, that those killed in the name of freedom and the second amendment, would have wished nothing more than to live another day!!!

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mpohl

So where were all the right-to-carry, NRA advocates???

When it comes to defend us from the gun crazies, they are nowhere to be found. Seems to me, that handing out guns to everyone in the name of the second amendment is not such a great idea.

I can tell you, that those killed in the name of freedom and the second amendment, would have wished nothing more than to live another day!!!

My guess is that they are so oppressed in California, it is so Hugely inconvenient for them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights as the founding fathers meant them to, they decided to let the anti-gun people fend for them selves.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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mpohl

So where were all the right-to-carry, NRA advocates?

There is no right to carry in California. It's a "may issue" state which means that your county sheriff can and will tell you to piss off at his or her whim if you apply for a carry permit. So while there are some shortfalls that lead to this tragedy, suffice it to say I find it a stretch to blame right-to-carry advocates.

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Seems that they are not oppressed enough. If anyone, mentally stable or not, can get his hands on guns.

You can slice it, you can dice it whichever way you want. But more guns, mean more killings.

Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

My guess is that they are so oppressed in California, it is so Hugely inconvenient for them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights as the founding fathers meant them to, they decided to let the anti-gun people fend for them selves.

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mpohl

Seems that they are not oppressed enough. If anyone, mentally stable or not, can get his hands on guns.

You can slice it, you can dice it whichever way you want. But more guns, mean more killings.

Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

My guess is that they are so oppressed in California, it is so Hugely inconvenient for them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights as the founding fathers meant them to, they decided to let the anti-gun people fend for them selves.

Really? Like for instance those guys that got those pea shooters during fast and furious?

. . . or the ones that would be less of an issue if everyone could carry legally?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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New california gun control laws working like a champ

Actually, it appears that the law worked just fine. He purchased the weapons legally. They were registered in his name. He has never been hospitalized for his mental illness therefore, he was not on the list. Is this not what the NRA and the GOP wanted? Protect the rights of the mentally ill to own guns?

How is it that someone like this, who is known to be a danger, legally buy a gun? All of the warnings were there.

Another Loughner.

Sadly, it will happen again and again and again...

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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freethefly

Sadly, it will happen again and again and again...

Insanity is repeatedly voting for politicians who are more worried about getting more and more types of firearms classified as assault weapons and tracking how many rounds of ammunition people buy and expecting it to suddenly keep people from flipping out because they didn't seek mental help or get directed to mental help.

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http://www.realclear.com/california/2014/05/24/hollywood_directors_son_kills_6_in_santa_barbara_7119.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sponsored&utm_campaign=thebeerparty

Dude... spend some money on some "professionals" if you can't get someone to put up with your fucked up ego.

WOW

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mpohl

Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

One of the seven who died was the killer, and apparently three of the victims were stabbed to death. There were at least four people who were injured from being hit by the killer's car. So it's not all about guns.

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Shotgun

***Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

One of the seven who died was the killer, and apparently three of the victims were stabbed to death. There were at least four people who were injured from being hit by the killer's car. So it's not all about guns.

I will bet $0.50 that he was taking at least one of the more popular SSRIs or other - quite legal - medications. Actually, that's not a bet, it's an investment.

Better living through chemistry, eh comrades?


BSBD,

Winsor

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winsor

******Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

One of the seven who died was the killer, and apparently three of the victims were stabbed to death. There were at least four people who were injured from being hit by the killer's car. So it's not all about guns.

I will bet $0.50 that he was taking at least one of the more popular SSRIs or other - quite legal - medications. Actually, that's not a bet, it's an investment.



I wouldn't be surprised if he was taking medication. But it's also possible to be a self-pitying, whiny douchebag without the use of medication. Though I do suspect that homicidal tendencies might be increased with the mixture of certain drugs with certain people.

What's bothering me is that the news is reporting that his parents called the police back in April about a youtube video he had posted "regarding suicide and the killing of people." I'm not sure what the video actually entailed or whether the police were able to view it, but it seems like something in there might have been grounds to 5150 the guy, which would have at least kept him from legally owning guns for the next five years. It might have even gotten him some needed help/counseling. (I don't know - mental health treatment is obviously not an exact science.) Of course, it wouldn't have kept him from owning a knife or a car . . .

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winsor

******Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

One of the seven who died was the killer, and apparently three of the victims were stabbed to death. There were at least four people who were injured from being hit by the killer's car. So it's not all about guns.

I will bet $0.50 that he was taking at least one of the more popular SSRIs or other - quite legal - medications. Actually, that's not a bet, it's an investment.

Better living through chemistry, eh comrades?


BSBD,

Winsor

Did you actually read any of the material you cited?

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I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who "knew too much" or were considered a "threat" dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

This cite makes "Info Wars" look like a legitimate news source, using it as a source to try and convince people of what may well be a link between SSRIs and violence is sure not going to help.

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jclalor

*********Fuck the second amendment!!! That's what the seven dead victims would say. I am sure!

One of the seven who died was the killer, and apparently three of the victims were stabbed to death. There were at least four people who were injured from being hit by the killer's car. So it's not all about guns.

I will bet $0.50 that he was taking at least one of the more popular SSRIs or other - quite legal - medications. Actually, that's not a bet, it's an investment.

Better living through chemistry, eh comrades?


BSBD,

Winsor

Did you actually read any of the material you cited?

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I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who "knew too much" or were considered a "threat" dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

This cite makes "Info Wars" look like a legitimate news source, using it as a source to try and convince people of what may well be a link between SSRIs and violence is sure not going to help.

I picked from a number of hits when googling "mass shootings pharmaceuticals" and skimmed the part that I considered pertinent. Mea culpa.

I could have picked another, but there were rather a few hits from which to choose.

I am not out to convince much of anyone of anything, since people who need instruction to take note of the obvious are generally hard of thinking. Stupidity is an overwhelming force, and it is not my job to fight it.


BSBD,

Winsor

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/16/keith-luke-neo-nazi-suicide_n_5334411.html

Another virgin gets his revenge