Several ways of ranking the states by reliance on taxpayer dollars

[kallend 1,653]

www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/?google_editors_picks=true

No matter how you look at it, the red states are more likely to be takers and the blue states givers.

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[NewGuy2005 51]

"….Part of the explanation for why southern states dominate the “most dependent” category is historical. During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states in the form of contracts, projects, installations…."

[kallend 1,653]

NewGuy2005

"….Part of the explanation for why southern states dominate the “most dependent” category is historical. During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states in the form of contracts, projects, installations…."

And nothing has changed in 50 years. Right!

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[normiss 633]

He hates the republican party.

[rhaig 0]

normiss

He hates the republican party.

He's just shit stirring. His grad students are doing all his work and he's bored.

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Rob

[kelpdiver 2]

kallend

www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/?google_editors_picks=true

No matter how you look at it, the red states are more likely to be takers and the blue states givers.

heh - I see they tweaked the formula so Texas would no longer be a large giver.

[billvon 2,442]

> During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly
>Democratic its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate,
>enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees . . .

Decades like . . . . 1900 to 1950? While that's true, those people are all dead now.

[wayneflorida 0]

Yea, Florida is a taker and blue.

[Amazon 7]

wayneflorida

Yea, Florida is a taker and blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
Looks kinda purple since 2000

And then there is this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_legislatures_in_the_United_States
Florida Legislature thanks to gerrymandering
House of Representatives
R 74–45
Senate
R 26–14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Florida
Congressional delegation is also heavily gerrymandered
Seate
R-1
D-1
Representatives
R-17
D-10

So not so blue... and probably a good reason for being the usual Takers.
Facts matter my dear.

[wayneflorida 0]

Amazon

***Yea, Florida is a taker and blue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
Looks kinda purple since 2000

And then there is this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_legislatures_in_the_United_States
Florida Legislature thanks to gerrymandering
House of Representatives
R 74–45
Senate
R 26–14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Florida
Congressional delegation is also heavily gerrymandered
Seate
R-1
D-1
Representatives
R-17
D-10

So not so blue... and probably a good reason for being the usual Takers.
Facts matter my dear.

Just going by 08 and 12 presidential voting. The correct facts..

Gerrymandering!! Be honest, everybody will do it if they have a chance.

[Amazon 7]

How about outlawing it and actually be a democracy like we are trying to spread around the world...

Scrapping the whole electoral college would be a great start... to telling the Oligarchs to go F themselves.

[turtlespeed 212]

Amazon

How about outlawing it and actually be a democracy like we are trying to spread around the world...

Scrapping the whole electoral college would be a great start... to telling the Oligarchs to go F themselves.

You mean go by the popular vote?

It would be comical to see you change your views when the popular vote didn't allow things like Same Sex Marriage, and Obamacare . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[NewGuy2005 51]

billvon

> During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly
>Democratic its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate,
>enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees . . .

Decades like . . . . 1900 to 1950? While that's true, those people are all dead now.

Agreed. I was just getting a quick one in on Kallend.
I think the biggest factor is poverty.

[kelpdiver 2]

NewGuy2005

"….Part of the explanation for why southern states dominate the “most dependent” category is historical. During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly Democratic, its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate, enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees, which they used to send federal dollars back to their home states in the form of contracts, projects, installations…."

In more modern time - the GOP is been traditionally been much more unified than the Democratic caucus, and nothing shows this better than California v Texas.

Most recently the Tea Party faction threatens to harm this generality, but it would account for some of the difference.

(the other being more a factor of the lower incomes/cost of living, and thus taxes, of those states.)

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rhaig

***He hates the republican party.

He's just shit stirring.

...again:
The three great strategies for obscuring an issue are to introduce irrelevancies, to arouse prejudice, and to excite ridicule ---Bergen Evans, The Natural History of Nonsense

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[kallend 1,653]

NewGuy2005

***> During the many decades in the 20th century when the South was solidly
>Democratic its congressional representatives in both the House and the Senate,
>enjoying great seniority, came to hold leadership positions on powerful committees . . .

Decades like . . . . 1900 to 1950? While that's true, those people are all dead now.

Agreed. I was just getting a quick one in on Kallend.
I think the biggest factor is poverty.

So you're saying that 50 years of being a red state has left these states in poverty?

OK.

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[wmw999 2,155]

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You mean go by the popular vote?

Like the 2000 election? And it all depends on who votes, as far as the other issues. The fact that all of the people you know support an issue says nothing about the people you don't know.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)