CT State Police Spokesman Says – They Would Participate In Door To Door Gun Confiscations

[DanG 1]

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...Liberal police state...

"Liberal" does not mean, "things I don't like."

- Dan G

[kallend 1,648]

DanG

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...Liberal police state...

"Liberal" does not mean, "things I don't like."

Apparently you don't read Conservapedia.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,351]

baronn

This simply a test for the rest of the nation. Armed confiscation? State police participating? Where are we, Nazi Germany? That's how it all started. Gun advocate or not, everyone shude realize this is just 1 more step towards more government control and an over zealous Liberal police state attempt to tromp on the Constitution. Pig hunting permits need to be issued in CT......

We already had that test.

And failed.

New Orleans in 05. The post-Katrina gun grab. The mayor issued his proclamation, the cops participated enthusiastically, and the people submitted.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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"Record U.S. Gun Production"

"U.S. gun makers led by Sturm Ruger & Co. and Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (SWHC) churned out a record number of firearms in 2012, government data show, continuing a trend of robust production during Democratic presidencies. More than 8.57 million guns were produced in 2012, up 31 percent from 6.54 million in 2011..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-20/record-u-s-gun-production-as-obama-demonized-on-issue.html

"America's Handgun Boom—in 4 Charts"

"Gun trade groups tend to peg firearm sales at a steady $4 billion annually. But there's evidence that, as of late, we've been on a buying spree. The number of criminal background checks on prospective gun buyers has roughly doubled since 2003."

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/americas-handgun-boom-in-4-charts/266305/

[Amazon 7]

Boogers

"Record U.S. Gun Production"

"U.S. gun makers led by Sturm Ruger & Co. and Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (SWHC) churned out a record number of firearms in 2012, government data show, continuing a trend of robust production during Democratic presidencies. More than 8.57 million guns were produced in 2012, up 31 percent from 6.54 million in 2011..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-20/record-u-s-gun-production-as-obama-demonized-on-issue.html

"America's Handgun Boom—in 4 Charts"

"Gun trade groups tend to peg firearm sales at a steady $4 billion annually. But there's evidence that, as of late, we've been on a buying spree. The number of criminal background checks on prospective gun buyers has roughly doubled since 2003."

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/americas-handgun-boom-in-4-charts/266305/

So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

[SkyDekker 1,145]

Boogers

Quote: "Some industry sources believe sales are not declining as much as they are returning to normal after a long boom. Smith & Wesson CEO James Debney says the firearms industry is “coming out of this surge period into what we would call a more normal environment, which is generally free of influence of some fear or uncertainty about increased legislation.”

Oh my gosh, sales are returning to normal - it's the end of the gun industry!

With Congress soon to be controlled entirely by Republicans, and Obama to become a lame duck, the threat to gun rights seems to be coming to an end for the next few years.

Next up: "NRA membership declining!" Oh the horror!

These things are cyclic, depending upon politics.

Oh my gosh, the price of gold is plunging! The financial market is doomed!

So basically the conservatives were wrong about this direct threat to their ability to procure firearms. And, like good little sheep they went on a bit of a feeding frenzie.

Now that they realize they have been had and look incredibly stupid, they are sheepishly going back to normal, while the NRA, Gun Lobby and the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

Let me guess, this should be followed with tax cuts, so you can pay for your guns?

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Amazon

So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

There's nothing contrary to it - the two go hand-in-hand.
Gun sales are brisk BECAUSE he's a gun-grabbing liberal.

[Andy9o8 0]

Boogers

***So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

There's nothing contrary to it - the two go hand-in-hand.
Gun sales are brisk BECAUSE he's a gun-grabbing liberal.

Nope you got it wrong, J - he's a gun-grabbing liberal because gun sales are brisk. If you don't want skinny mulattoes grabbing your guns, don't buy them.

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SkyDekker

So basically the conservatives were wrong about this direct threat to their ability to procure firearms. And, like good little sheep they went on a bit of a feeding frenzie.

Now that they realize they have been had and look incredibly stupid, they are sheepishly going back to normal, while the NRA, Gun Lobby and the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

Let me guess, this should be followed with tax cuts, so you can pay for your guns?

Well, that's a rather slanted view of things.

The threat was real. Just look at Obama's record and past statements, and of the people he has put into office to work for him. The conservatives were correct about that.

They are not "sheep" to hedge against potential future legislation, nor do they look stupid for doing so, except in the eyes of people like you. But then, you probably expect the government to save you from every threat.

Yes, the NRA and manufacturers are making more money. That's not a crime. Thank you, Obama. That's Economics 101. Create a threat to the supply of a product, and people will stock up, demand will increase, and prices will go up. Works for guns and gasoline.

Tax cuts would be nice, but not to pay for guns, simply because the government already takes too much. Take some more guesses - you need 'em.

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Just look at Obama's record and past statements...

You mean the real record, or the fantasy one?

- Dan G

[kallend 1,648]

Boogers

"Record U.S. Gun Production"

"U.S. gun makers led by Sturm Ruger & Co. and Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (SWHC) churned out a record number of firearms in 2012, government data show, continuing a trend of robust production during Democratic presidencies. More than 8.57 million guns were produced in 2012, up 31 percent from 6.54 million in 2011..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-20/record-u-s-gun-production-as-obama-demonized-on-issue.html

"America's Handgun Boom—in 4 Charts"

"Gun trade groups tend to peg firearm sales at a steady $4 billion annually. But there's evidence that, as of late, we've been on a buying spree. The number of criminal background checks on prospective gun buyers has roughly doubled since 2003."

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/americas-handgun-boom-in-4-charts/266305/

The data I showed was, of course, recent. Unlike yours which represents the timing of the bogus "Obama will grab our guns" scare by the NRA. Recently there has been a drop.

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[kallend 1,648]

Boogers

***So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

There's nothing contrary to it - the two go hand-in-hand.
Gun sales are were brisk BECAUSE he's a gun-grabbing liberal.

But now that has been shown to be quite untrue the gun lobby needs a new bogeyman. The CT State Police seem to be the current choice.

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[SkyDekker 1,145]

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Yes, the NRA and manufacturers are making more money. That's not a crime. Thank you, Obama. That's Economics 101. Create a threat to the supply of a product, and people will stock up, demand will increase, and prices will go up. Works for guns and gasoline.

Exactly. So now who had the most to gain by this threat perception? Who do you think created the perception?

Since you don't like Obama you discount the possibility that this threat was heavily overstated by the NRA and other gun lobbies.

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kallend

******So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

There's nothing contrary to it - the two go hand-in-hand.
Gun sales are were brisk BECAUSE he's a gun-grabbing liberal.

But now that has been shown to be quite untrue the gun lobby needs a new bogeyman. The CT State Police seem to be the current choice.

It's not like the entire upward curve over the last 6 years has suddenly disappeared completely, but you seem to be trying to fool people into believing that.

From your own article in message #10, it says that sales were up 51% in the first nine months, and in the latest three months they rose just 2%.

And somehow, you, a learned college professor, interpret this to mean that gun sales are down, and that they are no longer brisk. Tsk tsk. Me thinks that your hatred of guns has overpowered your sense of logic.

If up 51% was brisk, then up another 2% to 53% is still brisker. And that's not a drop, that's a reduction in the rate of growth.

And me, a lowly BA degree, can figure that out.

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SkyDekker

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Yes, the NRA and manufacturers are making more money. That's not a crime. Thank you, Obama. That's Economics 101. Create a threat to the supply of a product, and people will stock up, demand will increase, and prices will go up. Works for guns and gasoline.

Exactly. So now who had the most to gain by this threat perception? Who do you think created the perception?

Since you don't like Obama you discount the possibility that this threat was heavily overstated by the NRA and other gun lobbies.

It has nothing to do with whether or not I like Obama. It has to do with his past record and statements. And those play a big role in anticipating what he might do in the future. One would be a fool to ignore the past records of politicians for whom they are considering in their voting choices.

Since you love Obama and hate guns, you have presumed that conservatives were wrong, that they are acting like frenzied sheep, that they are stupid, that it's a conspiracy by the NRA and gun-makers, and that everyone deserves tax cuts so they can buy guns.

And we're supposed to take your view seriously?

[jakee 1,259]

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It has nothing to do with whether or not I like Obama. It has to do with his past record and statements.

Like?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,145]

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you have presumed that conservatives were wrong

It is not a presumption.

Your guns have not been taken away. You can still buy them.

[champu 1]

I don't think there's any ongoing threat to firearm owners from President Obama. He made the one big push* but it fizzled in congress. I think you can expect every democratic president to make that one big push* exactly once during their stay in office. That's just my opinion.

At the state level the landscape varies quite a bit. There have been some notable court decisions related to permitting across the country on one hand, and there have been state level bans and expansions of bans on scary black rifles on the other.

*I'm referring to the universal background check/registration, ban on assault weapons, and ban on 10+ magazines, because those are the three laws that democrats propose and the laws that democrats propose are those three.

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SkyDekker

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you have presumed that conservatives were wrong

It is not a presumption. Your guns have not been taken away. You can still buy them.

Incorrect logic.

Just because he wasn't successful, does not mean that conservatives were wrong to think that he would try. He did try. He failed. The fact that he tried, means the conservatives were correct.

And as Champu just pointed out, it's not just Obama, there's a wide array of folks at the state level too who would also love to restrict gun ownership, and in many places, they have succeeded in doing so.

Take California for example. Many people bought guns prior to a new law going into effect, which has caused S&W and Ruger to withdraw from the California market. If they hadn't bought those S&W's and Ruger's beforehand, they would now be out of luck. And we also have the source of this thread: is CT going to confiscate unregistered "assault weapons"?

The threats to gun rights are very real.

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jakee

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It has nothing to do with whether or not I like Obama. It has to do with his past record and statements.

Like?

google is your friend

http://www.examiner.com/article/1996-records-obama-supported-banning-all-guns-illinois

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In a 1996 questionnaire, then-state senator Barack Obama answered "Yes" to a question asking whether he would support legislation to "ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Thus, Obama supported the complete banishment of firearms in Illinois.

The answer to that question was type written, and the rest of the questionnaire was filled out by hand in Obama's handwriting. Whether or not this was a staff error, it still sets down on paper that the campaign was for banning manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns.

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Rob

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SkyDekker

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you have presumed that conservatives were wrong

It is not a presumption.

Your guns have not been taken away. You can still buy them.

that is just luck that obama's law didn't get passed. he still proposed it, he just got shut down.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[kelpdiver 2]

Boogers

"Gun trade groups tend to peg firearm sales at a steady $4 billion annually. But there's evidence that, as of late, we've been on a buying spree. The number of criminal background checks on prospective gun buyers has roughly doubled since 2003."

Worth noting again - the last place company in the Fortune 500 had revenue of 4.9B last year. So the entire gun industry collectively is generally on the outside. Compare that to Altria (formerly Philip Morris) with revenues around 100B. Or Exxon Mobile with revenues of just under 400B.

It should be simple to see that the NRA's power doesn't come from industry money, but from voters, while big oil's power to lobby is quite obvious.

[kallend 1,648]

Boogers

*********So basically you are saying.. President Obama has been very very good for the gun business contrary to the mantra of his being a gun grabbing liberal.

There's nothing contrary to it - the two go hand-in-hand.
Gun sales are were brisk BECAUSE he's a gun-grabbing liberal.

But now that has been shown to be quite untrue the gun lobby needs a new bogeyman. The CT State Police seem to be the current choice.

It's not like the entire upward curve over the last 6 years has suddenly disappeared completely, but you seem to be trying to fool people into believing that.

From your own article in message #10, it says that sales were up 51% in the first nine months, and in the latest three months they rose just 2%.

And somehow, you, a learned college professor, interpret this to mean that gun sales are down, and that they are no longer brisk. Tsk tsk. Me thinks that your hatred of guns has overpowered your sense of logic.

If up 51% was brisk, then up another 2% to 53% is still brisker. And that's not a drop, that's a reduction in the rate of growth.

And me, a lowly BA degree, can figure that out.

Maybe you got your BA from a 4th rate school.

www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/field-notes/2014/03/gun-and-ammo-sales-dropping-2014

Even Field & Stream says they are DROPPING.

www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-13/locked-and-loaded-gun-fans-stop-buying

CNN says they are "Plunging"

I guess things drop and plunge upwards in Boogers World.

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[baronn 111]

This may be the ONLY agenda many Americans might agree on. If Obama wants to change the Bill of rights, be a leader and disarm the SS that protect him and his mooch ass wife.