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9th Circuit Strikes "Good Cause" Requirement for Licensed Carry of Handguns
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lawrocket[Reply]What I find interesting is that this society with such a focus on freedom, with such a premium placed on freedom, not only incarcerates so many people. But, also has found a way to be less free in most other countries in the world.
It's not just incarceration. Guns are but one freedom being cut. We know as well as anyone that freedom isn't as free as it used to be. Look at tge NSA. Look what is going on with the press in the US. Just to name a couple.
Guns are a symbol because it's something actually tangible. Here's something you can actually hold and touch that the government can't take that serves the purpose of empowering an individual. It's not some intanglible thing.
I agree.
SkyDekker 1,123
QuoteI think you have a short - i.e., post-WWII, Euro-influenced - view of history.
I wasn't really speaking about history. I was speaking about today.
Those of us who grew up in Europe have had significant exposure to the ravages of WWI and WWII. All my friends and schoolmates had family members affected by the war, or fought in it in some form or the other.
QuoteIt's an unresolvable, yet still timely and interesting, thought experiment to ponder: if personal firearms ownership throughout Europe and Asia had been as pervasive in the 1st half of the 20th Century as it is in the US, could the fascists of Germany, Italy, Japan, etc. have had the successes they did, necessitating nothing less than total warfare on a global scale to eradicate them? I can tell you that those type of policy considerations provided the philosophical, as well as practical, underpinnings of what came to be codified in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
It is indeed an interesting thought expirement to ponder. Though WWI got started with a handgun and was facilitated by the inherent downfall of treaties.
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And again: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/2014/03/saf-cgf-score-ninth-circuit-victory-richards-carry-case/
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http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000722
Note that there have been four petitions filed against the opinion. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, The Brady Campaign, California Attorney General, and the California Police Chief's association. Conspicuously absent, imo, is the California State Sheriffs Association, which is the organization whose authority to regulate arbitrarily is in dispute.
Note also these are not appeals, as none of the above organizations have standing to appeal this case. These are basically open letters to the entire 9th circuit court for some judge to, of their own accord, request that the decision be reviewed by the entirety of the court rather than just the panel. Lawrocket can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if that is to happen it would have to happen by today, March 6th.
Legally speaking I think this is a somewhat similar situation to when Prop 8 was overturned and all the anti-gay groups went on tilt because they had no legal means to appeal the decision.
Note that there have been four petitions filed against the opinion. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, The Brady Campaign, California Attorney General, and the California Police Chief's association. Conspicuously absent, imo, is the California State Sheriffs Association, which is the organization whose authority to regulate arbitrarily is in dispute.
Note also these are not appeals, as none of the above organizations have standing to appeal this case. These are basically open letters to the entire 9th circuit court for some judge to, of their own accord, request that the decision be reviewed by the entirety of the court rather than just the panel. Lawrocket can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if that is to happen it would have to happen by today, March 6th.
Legally speaking I think this is a somewhat similar situation to when Prop 8 was overturned and all the anti-gay groups went on tilt because they had no legal means to appeal the decision.
I think you have a short - i.e., post-WWII, Euro-influenced - view of history. Also, you, like most of us who live in North or South America, live in a country that on the whole was geographically insulated from much of the immediate peril that endangered the homes of people in Europe and Asia during WWII. Europe has been at relative peace your entire lifetime; but the now-elderly people who well remember when WWII was raging view history - and, thus, the prospects for the long-term future - through a very different lens.
It's an unresolvable, yet still timely and interesting, thought experiment to ponder: if personal firearms ownership throughout Europe and Asia had been as pervasive in the 1st half of the 20th Century as it is in the US, could the fascists of Germany, Italy, Japan, etc. have had the successes they did, necessitating nothing less than total warfare on a global scale to eradicate them? I can tell you that those type of policy considerations provided the philosophical, as well as practical, underpinnings of what came to be codified in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
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