Romney was right?

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Yet Romney was mocked for this statement originally.

Romney was mocked for the conclusion he drew, not the factual statement. He didn't stop at noting that 47% of people don't pay incomde tax. He concluded that those people were all lazy welfare queens and wouldn't vote Republican because they rely on the evil Democrats to pay for their chrome rims (paraphrasing).

- Dan G

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Ah.... Paraphrased a bit much

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That's an entitlement. The government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean the president starts off with 48, 49...he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. So he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5–10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not.
—Mitt Romney at the private fundraiser of May 17, 2012

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normiss

The liberal racist mind.

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I don't really believe that that's necessarily racist. I mean here in canada we do have 'kids' who do have children in order to get mother's allowance payments, and the more kids they have, the bigger the cheque they get from the gov't each month. That is simply reality. And I'm not talking about blacks, necessarily, many are white.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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[DanG 1]

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All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.

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I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

Yeah, paraphrased.

- Dan G

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DanG

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All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.

***I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

Yeah, paraphrased.

At great liberty.

[DanG 1]

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At great liberty.

I was joking, of course.

On the other hand, if you agree with the actual quotes from the last post, then you deserve to be mocked just like Romney was.

- Dan G

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billvon

>How is social security socialism when its your money they are giving back at a crappy
>interest rate and you can't say, "No thanks. I'll invest myself"?

So socialism is socialism only when it works well? (Makes it easy to argue that socialism is always a good deal for people who participate in it!)

You obviously can't tell the difference between a forced investment account that the government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment and where you and your taxes pay for his retirement.

But hey, at least they have more money to squander.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,476]

>You obviously can't tell the difference between a forced investment account that the
> government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment and where
>you and your taxes pay for his retirement.

So is a "a forced investment account that the government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment" socialism or not?

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billvon

>You obviously can't tell the difference between a forced investment account that the
> government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment and where
>you and your taxes pay for his retirement.

So is a "a forced investment account that the government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment" socialism or not?

It is. Hell it even has Social in it's name.

Please don't dent the planet.

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billvon

>You obviously can't tell the difference between a forced investment account that the
> government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment and where
>you and your taxes pay for his retirement.

So is a "a forced investment account that the government holds your money hostage for a shitty return on investment" socialism or not?

Yes. Because, as was pointed out, recipients don't get their own money back, they are dependent on the payment from the current working folk paying into the system.
Some will argue that they paid in their entire lives and are entitled to their benefits (and I agree with that), but it's not an investment fund.

And throw in the little fact that payouts are proportionately higher for lower income recipients than higher income ones and yes, it really is socialism.

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DanG

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At great liberty.

I was joking, of course.

On the other hand, if you agree with the actual quotes from the last post, then you deserve to be mocked just like Romney was.

Ah yes... When out of facts.. Start an attack. This all you have?

[billvon 2,476]

>>So is a "a forced investment account that the government holds your money
>> hostage for a shitty return on investment" socialism or not?

>Yes.

You'd have to take that up with Devildog; he was the person I was asking that question of.

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normiss

The liberal racist mind.

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People.

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billvon

>How is social security socialism when its your money they are giving back at a crappy
>interest rate and you can't say, "No thanks. I'll invest myself"?

So socialism is socialism only when it works well? (Makes it easy to argue that socialism is always a good deal for people who participate in it!)

I have no idea what I was thinking, other than it wasn't a good form of socialism due to the return rates. Clearly, my brain had shorted out a couple of days ago :)

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Maybe because the rich got even richer and the gap with the middle class reached record levels.

finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8721478/top-1-took-record-share-of-2012-us-gains

And then we have those who bought loopholes from our legislators "Those who pay no federal income taxes aren’t all low wage earners. Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

I have never been able to wrap my head around social security. It is the very definition of a Ponzi Scheme. Private investors do it and get thrown in jail, yet our government mandates that the rest of us pay into theirs.

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[DanG 1]

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Ah yes... When out of facts.. Start an attack. This all you have?

More like, "When you've got nothing to say, claim you're being attacked."

Seriously? The thread was about Romney being mocked for saying everyone who doesn't pay income tax votes Democratic because they don't take personal responsibility. People who agree with that deserve mockery.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Ah yes... When out of facts.. Start an attack. This all you have?

More like, "When you've got nothing to say, claim you're being attacked."

Seriously? The thread was about Romney being mocked for saying everyone who doesn't pay income tax votes Democratic because they don't take personal responsibility. People who agree with that deserve mockery.

got it...It is all you have.

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got it...It is all you have.

I guess so. Which is more than you have, since you have contributed zilch to this thread.

- Dan G

[kallend 1,681]

Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

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Perhaps the answer lies in the reason many of the wealthy pay no income tax. If you are giving millions away to charitable causes or giving huge bonus's you receive to your employees, something you and others have stated they admire, then paying no income tax doesn't mean you just keep all the money stacked up in a vault somewhere. I doubt many are sitting in a bank vault on top of their money, rubbing their hands together and muttering under their breath the way many like to portray them.

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kallend

Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

How Retirees Pay Zero Taxes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2013/06/05/how-retirees-pay-zero-taxes/

It would appear that having an accountant who understands the tax code helps. Don't like it...change the tax code.

Oh, and BTW....last time I checked there is quite a bit more being withheld from my paycheck than just Federal taxes.

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kallend

Why don't Republicans get all enraged about the "Thousands of people who have income of more than $200,000 a year have been able to zero out their federal income tax bill, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service."

Apparently it's a travesty that poor people get to pay no income tax, but just fine when wealthy people do the same.

Because . . .

You know very well, as with your own maneuvering, that it isn't as cut and dry as that.

Money is going somewhere. It just frustrates the left that they don't get the opportunity to control where it goes.

I'd be willing to bet that you take advantage of every incentive you can when you pay your taxes, follow the law, and pay a lower rate because of it.

I'd also be willing to bet that IF you were in a position to zero out your income tax bill, you would.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[DanG 1]

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Oh, and BTW....last time I checked there is quite a bit more being withheld from my paycheck than just Federal taxes.

So then you recognize that just because someone pays no income tax, it doesn't mean that they pay no tax?

- Dan G

[billvon 2,476]

>It would appear that having an accountant who understands the tax code helps. Don't
>like it...change the tax code.

Now you're defending the 47%? I predict two days until the next flip flop.