The only surprise is that it doesn't happen more often.

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(CNN) -- The combination of a gun and a surprise gone wrong left a beloved 18-year-old track star dead, authorities in Longmont, Colorado, say.

Premila Lal jumped out of a closet as a harmless joke to surprise a family friend, her father says. But the noise startled the friend, who grabbed a gun and shot her.

Source:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/08/justice/colorado-teen-accidental-shooting/index.html

Playing "scare" pranks is simply not a good idea, even less so when the person you're "pranking" is within reach of a gun.

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[jailbot 0]

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Playing "scare" pranks is simply not a good idea, even less so when the person you're "pranking" is within reach of a gun.

Or perhaps the first instinct shouldn't be to go for a fucking kill shot.

"Galley has been charged with reckless endangerment, child abuse and providing a gun to a juvenile because Lal's 15-year-old brother had access to the gun, police say."

Because you know, this guy seems responsible. Shoot first ask questions later is why things like this happen. Either draw your firearm and try to figure out the situation, or throw a punch if you feel the need for immediate reaction. If there is a weapon involved, it's a different story, but you can't argue there wasn't enough time to figure out this situation before she was shot.

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jailbot

Or perhaps the first instinct shouldn't be to go for a fucking kill shot.

I'm fairly certain that IS going to be the first instinct; grab a weapon, stop the (perceived) bad thing from happening. With a gun in hand, that's going to be a shot to the center of the mass.

A guy walking down Hogan's Alley is prepared to make a decision to shoot or not shoot.

A guy in his house, might not take the time.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jakee 1,280]

"A guy in his house, might not take the time. "

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[devildog 0]

If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill. Any other advice is just awful.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[rushmc 18]

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(CNN) -- The combination of a gun and a surprise gone wrong left a beloved 18-year-old track star dead, authorities in Longmont, Colorado, say.

Premila Lal jumped out of a closet as a harmless joke to surprise a family friend, her father says. But the noise startled the friend, who grabbed a gun and shot her.

Source:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/08/justice/colorado-teen-accidental-shooting/index.html

Playing "scare" pranks is simply not a good idea, even less so when the person you're "pranking" is within reach of a gun.

Such a sad mischaracterization Paul
It is not surprising at all
I know you and your gun control crowd would LOVE this to happen more often
Just to move your agenda forward
And at the cost of a life no less

The real head line should note that this is rare and a surprise
Why?
Because the majority of the gun owners are responsible
Another fact that makes you mad


In the end, only those who think like you are surprised

Me? I am saddened.
It did not need to happen
But that is not the fault of the gun

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Darius11 12]

Damn she was hot......BAN GUNS!!!!



Accidents happen, sad but true. NEXT

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rushmc 18]

jailbot

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Playing "scare" pranks is simply not a good idea, even less so when the person you're "pranking" is within reach of a gun.

Or perhaps the first instinct shouldn't be to go for a fucking kill shot.

"Galley has been charged with reckless endangerment, child abuse and providing a gun to a juvenile because Lal's 15-year-old brother had access to the gun, police say."

Because you know, this guy seems responsible. Shoot first ask questions later is why things like this happen. Either draw your firearm and try to figure out the situation, or throw a punch if you feel the need for immediate reaction. If there is a weapon involved, it's a different story, but you can't argue there wasn't enough time to figure out this situation before she was shot.

First off
No reputable trainer would ever teach "shot to kill'
You are taught to aim center mass and stop only when the threat is stopped

Shot to kill is just a sound bite used to stir shit up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Or perhaps the first instinct shouldn't be to go for a fucking kill shot.

Hollywood thinking, pure Hollywood thinking. No agency trains to 'shoot to wound'. It is next to impossible and stupid to boot.

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but you can't argue there wasn't enough time to figure out this situation before she was shot.

And if it was a rapist that raped and killed her.... Would you still claim there was enough time?

This is a stupid accident.

[DaVinci 0]

"The only surprise is that it doesn't happen more often. "

Yet it does not...
So it should be seen as what it is... A Stupid accident, not a way to gain support for something that has been shown not to be a statistically significant problem.

Fact is that you should not be surprised it does not happen more often.... Because historically it has *not* happened often.

[billvon 2,476]

>Fact is that you should not be surprised it does not happen more often.... Because
>historically it has *not* happened often.

On the average about 120 children a year are killed accidentally by guns. One every three days. The only reason this one made the news is that it was an especially sad story.

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On the average about 120 children a year are killed accidentally by guns. One every three days. The only reason this one made the news is that it was an especially sad story.

"From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents."

120 < 3,533

Every year more than 500 kids die in bike accidents.
http://ymiclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GetInGear.pdf

120 < 500

So statistically a kid is more likely to die by drowning or by riding a bike than by gun shot. Not saying this is not a terrible accident... But each of those deaths are also terrible accidents and if you wanted to save lives you would ask for more bike regulations... Maybe even a ban.

[billvon 2,476]

>But each of those deaths are also terrible accidents and if you wanted to save lives
>you would ask for more bike regulations... Maybe even a ban.

Would you support a gun and bike ban?

[rhaig 0]

neither guns nor bikes should be banned.

The only reason this one made the news was someone thought they could politicize it more. "evil man trying to defend himself kills innocent prankster"

--
Rob

[billvon 2,476]

>neither guns nor bikes should be banned.

Agreed.

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rhaig

The only reason this one made the news was someone thought they could politicize it more. "evil man trying to defend himself kills innocent prankster"

So, you believe a headline reading, "Man Bites Dog" would be politicizing . . . what?

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 1,683]

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On the average about 120 children a year are killed accidentally by guns. One every three days. The only reason this one made the news is that it was an especially sad story.

"From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents."

120 < 3,533

Every year more than 500 kids die in bike accidents.
http://ymiclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GetInGear.pdf

120 < 500

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Didn't realize we had a contest in the USA to see which method killed the most kids.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 18]

rhaig

neither guns nor bikes should be banned.

The only reason this one made the news was someone thought they could politicize it more. "evil man trying to defend himself kills innocent prankster"

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

Yep. This makes news. A kid gets shot and killed. But this is Longmont. It's different. Somehow I think it is viewed as more senseless than the people getting killed every day in inner cities.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 18]

kallend

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On the average about 120 children a year are killed accidentally by guns. One every three days. The only reason this one made the news is that it was an especially sad story.

"From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents."

120 < 3,533

Every year more than 500 kids die in bike accidents.
http://ymiclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GetInGear.pdf

120 < 500

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Didn't realize we had a contest in the USA to see which method killed the most kids.

dont know about the killing kids contest(s)

But your post is proof that a stupid post contest is still ongoing

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rhaig 0]

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***The only reason this one made the news was someone thought they could politicize it more. "evil man trying to defend himself kills innocent prankster"

So, you believe a headline reading, "Man Bites Dog" would be politicizing . . . what?

If you don't believe a story about a man defending himself with a gun and tragically killing a prankster can be politicized, then you are out of touch with pro/anti-gun arguments being made, or being intentionally obtuse.

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Rob

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On the average about 120 children a year are killed accidentally by guns. One every three days. The only reason this one made the news is that it was an especially sad story.

"From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents."

120 < 3,533

Every year more than 500 kids die in bike accidents.
http://ymiclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GetInGear.pdf

120 < 500

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Didn't realize we had a contest in the USA to see which method killed the most kids.


You're such a political animal. You've been hanging out with the Hollywood types too much lately.

You support further restrictions on gun ownership, yet you haven't made any public outcry for the further restrictions on minors riding bicycles, or swimming pool safety regulation. I won't call you a hypocrite. I don't think that is your intention. But you appear to be more concerned with a highly politicized topic rather than actually concerned about the safety of children.

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Rob

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You are taught to aim center mass and stop only when the threat is stopped

Which is the lawyer version of: Keep pulling the trigger until you are very sure he won't be getting up.

[wmw999 2,177]

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"From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents."

120 < 3,533

Every year more than 500 kids die in bike accidents.
http://ymiclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GetInGear.pdf

120 < 500

So statistically a kid is more likely to die by drowning or by riding a bike than by gun shot.

And I'd say that depends on how many kids are in each set:

kids+guns

kids+bikes

kids+water (according to the CDC 20% are children)

After all, few would say that skydiving is more dangerous BASE jumping, but I believe worldwide deaths from skydiving exceed those from BASE jumping.

That said, this incident is incredibly sad.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>But each of those deaths are also terrible accidents and if you wanted to save lives
>you would ask for more bike regulations... Maybe even a ban.

Would you support a gun and bike ban?

No, but you have suggested support for gun bans... Even though bikes and swimming kill more children each and every day.

I also would not support mandatory bike locks. I would not support background checks to own bikes nor skill tests that would have to be passed before you could own a bike (Skills test to ride it on the street? Sure as long as it is actually something that could be passed).