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quade 4
toolboxThank you!
Why are you thanking him for giving us weak tea?
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rushmc 18
quadeFortunately, no; it can't.
Fortunately the writers of the Consitution understood that even though they fully intended the document to change over time, they made it incredibly difficult and required incredible hoops to jump through in order for an Amendment to become ratified.
So, while some minor interpretations can go into effect, it is another thing altogether (possibly even impossible) to fundamentally change something like freedom of speech.
The Constitution needs to be followed and honored for your point to be valid
This has not been the case for decades
Regardless of the party in charge
Point is, intimidation and threat is being used NOW to stiffle free speech
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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rushmcPoint is, intimidation and threat is being used NOW to stiffle free speech
Oh please...
The US has the freest speech on the planet and that isn't just me blowing smoke.
You have FAR more to worry about from some PC busybody at your company than you do from the government when it comes to free speech.
Good lord. If free speech was as big an issue as you guys are making it out to be would 90% of the talking heads on radio be allowed to roam free? Get real.
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rushmc 18
quade***Point is, intimidation and threat is being used NOW to stiffle free speech
Oh please...
The US has the freest speech on the planet and that isn't just me blowing smoke.
You have FAR more to worry about from some PC busybody at your company than you do from the government when it comes to free speech.
Good lord. If free speech was as big an issue as you guys are making it out to be would 90% of the talking heads on radio be allowed to roam free? Get real.
The IRS scandal is about just that
Free speech
Roll your eyes if you will but you will be fooling yourself
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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Further, nobody's speech was hindered. Their tax exempt status was questioned. I'll admit it was because of the name of their organizations, but if I was tasked with finding errors in files of tax exempt companies, I think a good place to start would be sorting them by names of companies who are obviously against filing taxes.
Yeah, it was stupid. That doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to inhibit free speech.
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rushmc 18
quadeThat is not "the government." It's not. Try to spin it any way you want to, but it's going to come down to a couple of guys who got over excited doing their job.
Further, nobody's speech was hindered. Their tax exempt status was questioned. I'll admit it was because of the name of their organizations, but if I was tasked with finding errors in files of tax exempt companies, I think a good place to start would be sorting them by names of companies who are obviously against filing taxes.
Yeah, it was stupid. That doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to inhibit free speech.
You are fooling yourself or you are not following the stories
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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normiss 721
Keep it up and they might remove your posts.
rehmwa 2
normissKeep it up and they might remove your posts.
and audit his taxes
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
No. But that"s like taking a place with the cleanest air and blowing smoke. Hey, it still may be the cleanest but it aint clean.
You are justifying the chilling of speech by saying "it's worse elsewhere." Hey, we've also got the most painless executions on the planet, too.
[Reply]You have FAR more to worry about from some PC busybody at your company than you do from the government when it comes to free speech.
The PC busybody cannot jail me. Cannot indict me. Cannot get a warrant to investigate me. Cannot get an IRS audit.
[Reply]Good lord. If free speech was as big an issue as you guys are making it out to be would 90% of the talking heads on radio be allowed to roam free? Get real.
Do talk radio guys do investigative journalism? No. They offer opinions. They talk about the stuff that the journalists are finding. Different things entirely.
Compare this to the Plame matter. Scooter Libby was convicted. Karl Rove faced some serious stuff. But folks like Russert, Bob Novak, Matthew Cooper, bob Woodwars and other journalists were subpoenaed to testify in trial and to give depositions. But they didn't face charges. They only faced the possibility of sanction by the court for refusing to reveal their sources (Rove signed a waiver that meant that he could be revealed as a leak source).
Here the admin isn't looking to ask questions. This admin is spying on journalists to get to the leaks. And bringing charges against the journalists. In fact, I recall that during the Plame case, you thought it was an act of treason for the government to try to apply life-destroying sanctions on those who opposed the Admin.
So I'll ask this: what if it was Bush pulling this stuff? Going after journalists and pursuing criminal charges against them for publishing leaks? History has demonstrated that the leaker is punished.
Why is this "Nixonian?" I'll refer to the famed Enemies List memo: "stated a bit more bluntly—how we can use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies." Recall that "tax audits" were mentioned as ways to harass political enemies - only the IRS was not actually used on political opponents.
Note: Lois Lerner - the tax-exempt department head - is invoking the 5th in response to Congressional subpoena. Maybe it stopped there. Maybe it didn't.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
rehmwa***Keep it up and they might remove your posts.
and audit his taxes
Nah, we will have to wait until a Republican gets the Presidency and sics the IRS on liberal groups and alphabet news organizations. Then he will get outraged.
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lawrocket[Reply]You have FAR more to worry about from some PC busybody at your company than you do from the government when it comes to free speech.
The PC busybody cannot jail me. Cannot indict me. Cannot get a warrant to investigate me. Cannot get an IRS audit.
Can easily trash your reputation and get you fired. Easily.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/opinion/bruni-one-schools-catholic-teaching.html
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quade***Point is, intimidation and threat is being used NOW to stiffle free speech
Oh please...
The US has the freest speech on the planet and that isn't just me blowing smoke.
...Ummmm. Not so much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index#Rankings_and_scores_by_country
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QuoteWhy is this "Nixonian?" I'll refer to the famed Enemies List memo: "stated a bit more bluntly—how we can use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies." Recall that "tax audits" were mentioned as ways to harass political enemies - only the IRS was not actually used on political opponents.
Why not just go full Godwin and invoke Hitler? You know you want to?
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It's aluminum foil that the crazies are reportedly using for their hats.
Since aluminum is linked to increased risk of alzheimer's, it could be a bad fashion choice for good brain function.
I like the way hard left wing types like to fling insults and labels at people when they do not agree with them,or if they say things that they do not like to hear.
Lefties are just as fucked up as the righties it seems.
Being neither left nor right,I find it amusing when either side resorts to ridicule or insults to attack and belittle all who do not drink their political koolaid.
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