toolbox 0 #51 May 19, 2013 >put metal stakes in trees to kill lumberjacks.... I was a third generation logger,or lumberjack if you want,and the stakes were far more of a danger to the saw mill workers. I ended up working in a saw mill after the tree huggers shut down alot of access to forest land because of the spotted owl. I still have a nice little cook book for spotted owl somewhere. All extremist are bad news,but the religious extremist tend to be the worst,and at present the islamic extremist are taking the cake. I do not think christianity is dying,but I do think islam is growing and at the moment muslims tend to be more prone to detonation. Here in the USA you have the right to practice any belief you choose without government discrimination(in theory) and I agree with people having the freedom to live however they want,as long as they do not fuck with anyone else or their freedoms.I just tested my freedom of speech with that four letter word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #52 May 19, 2013 Quote He either does or he doesn't, and the only way to discern which is so is to apply logic and subject religious claims to scientific scrutiny. "Our Father, who art in heaven...." Now, tell me again about your scientific scrutiny. ...here we go again...My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #53 May 19, 2013 Quote I just tested my freedom of speech with that four letter word. Yeah, but you bastardized your freedom of punctuation. Comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, com' on Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Joey- 0 #54 May 19, 2013 popsjumperQuote He either does or he doesn't, and the only way to discern which is so is to apply logic and subject religious claims to scientific scrutiny. "Our Father, who art in heaven...." Now, tell me again about your scientific scrutiny. Well for one, if a person who claims to speak for God (or claims to be God) makes statements about our present reality, we can test the validity of those statements scientifically. It won't prove or disprove the existence of a god, but it will prove/disprove the authenticity of that person. Case in point: the mustard seed.Skydiving is serious business Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #55 May 19, 2013 -Joey-***Quote He either does or he doesn't, and the only way to discern which is so is to apply logic and subject religious claims to scientific scrutiny. "Our Father, who art in heaven...." Now, tell me again about your scientific scrutiny. Well for one, if a person who claims to speak for God (or claims to be God) makes statements about our present reality, we can test the validity of those statements scientifically. It won't prove or disprove the existence of a god, but it will prove/disprove the authenticity of that person. Case in point: the mustard seed. I am curious, where in Scripture does it state that the mustard seed is the smallest seed? Logic and scientific exploration is not the best approach to seeking God. Although for some it has worked. God is Spirit and He must be worshiped in spirit. Without faith you can not please God. Without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit one has little chance of understanding Scripture. Logic and science have difficulty here because they are mortal or man made concepts.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #56 May 19, 2013 Hey,I have the right to drink and punch keys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 May 19, 2013 toolboxHere in the USA you have the right to practice any belief you choose without government discrimination(in theory) and I agree with people having the freedom to live however they want nice statement - too bad people don't respect other's beliefs when different. the intolerance is nuts ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #58 May 19, 2013 toolbox as long as they do not fuck with anyone else or their freedoms.I just tested my freedom of speech with that four letter word. freedom of speech is not just the right to be offensive or shocking just for the sake of it, - although this attitude and application seems to be a general interpretation the last couple decades, sadly enough. It really reflects the lack of depth in thinking of society in general. It seems people currently define themselves on what they are NOT, instead of what they are ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #59 May 19, 2013 QuoteI am curious, where in Scripture does it state that the mustard seed is the smallest seed? Matthew 13:31-32 QuoteLogic and scientific exploration is not the best approach to seeking God. Amen brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #60 May 19, 2013 rehmwa ***Here in the USA you have the right to practice any belief you choose without government discrimination(in theory) and I agree with people having the freedom to live however they want nice statement - too bad people don't respect other's beliefs when different. the intolerance is nuts What a relief...at least somebody gets it. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #61 May 19, 2013 jclalor QuoteI am curious, where in Scripture does it state that the mustard seed is the smallest seed? Matthew 13:31-32 Good one! When I ran my check all I found was the references to faith the size of mustard seed. In context, Jesus was speaking a parable. Just how accurate does a parable have to be? I'm reasonably certain the people planted crops with smaller seeds, such as radishes, and would have known the difference. It does not take away from the meaning of the parable, which is what is important. However, you made your point. ETA graphic attachmentLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #62 May 19, 2013 >In context, Jesus was speaking a parable. Excellent point; one people here often miss when quoting the Koran (for example.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #63 May 19, 2013 maadmax ***What will Jesus do all day when no one believes in him? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10062745/Christianity-declining-50pc-faster-than-thought-as-one-in-10-under-25s-is-a-Muslim.html Not a big deal. The number that is really important is the number of those who have had their lives transformed by the Love of God. That number has always been small. I will be interested to see if Britain misses their Christians once Islam becomes the national religion. Now that mohammed has become the most popular name for males born in Britain we shouldn't have long to wait. ... No its wonderful, now we get not only the Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter but we also get the Muslim ones like Eid Ul Fitr and Bukka Eid as well, and the Hindu ones like Divali its simply wonderful! I've never had so much time off (And the food is great too!)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #64 May 19, 2013 billvon >In context, Jesus was speaking a parable. Excellent point; one people here often miss when quoting the Koran (for example.) But, but, but.....it's different!!! Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #65 May 20, 2013 Not a big deal. The number that is really important is the number of those who have had their lives transformed by the Love of God. That number has always been small. I will be interested to see if Britain misses their Christians once Islam becomes the national religion. Now that mohammed has become the most popular name for males born in Britain we shouldn't have long to wait. No its wonderful, now we get not only the Christian holidays such as Christmas and Easter but we also get the Muslim ones like Eid Ul Fitr and Bukka Eid as well, and the Hindu ones like Divali its simply wonderful! (And the food is great too!) ____________________________________________ I am sure those holidays are enjoyable. But I haven't noticed many countries with larger muslim populations celebrating those non approved holidays along with you. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #66 May 20, 2013 maadmax The number that is really important is the number of those who have had their lives transformed by the Love of God. That number has always been small. I will be interested to see if Britain misses their Christians once Islam becomes the national religion. Now that mohammed has become the most popular name for males born in Britain we shouldn't have long to wait. No need to worry - it was the most popular name a couple of years ago but now it's Harry. So I guess the real danger for christians in Britain is people worshipping the false idols of the Royal Family(I also like how you imply that belief in the Islamic version of god can't have the same positive effect as belief in the Christian version of god.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #67 May 20, 2013 (I also like how you imply that belief in the Islamic version of god can't have the same positive effect as belief in the Christian version of god.) ______________________________ I don't see it as who's God is better, that is a personal revelation. It is just that sharia thing I am wondering about. Damn, it is already part of your code of law. And nope, mohammed got Harry and Oliver both beat . ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #68 May 20, 2013 QuoteI don't see it as who's God is better, So why do you see it as a problem if positive personal change comes through belief in islam instead of belief in Christianity. QuoteAnd nope, mohammed got Harry and Oliver both beat . Oh really?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #69 May 20, 2013 maadmax I don't see it as who's God is better, that is a personal revelation. It is just that sharia thing I am wondering about. Damn, it is already part of your code of law. ... Is this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,122 #70 May 20, 2013 Sharia isn't significantly different from halacha in intent. Some of the specifics differ, particularly in criminal penalties, but since criminal penalties come from the state in modern countries, they're not an issue in the US or Great Britain. Should we expect a big objection to the observance of halacha? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #71 May 20, 2013 wmw999Should we expect a big objection to the observance of halacha? halacha is great on pita chips, or with some Siracha sauce I like halacha best when the duck is ground to a very fine paste and mixed with Jalapenos and olive oil ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
