Do you think Obama will be tough enough on Syria's chemical weapons use?

[turtlespeed 212]

I personally think he will cower and cave again.

BUT

We'll see.

"Game Changer"

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Opie 0]

It's not our job to be the worlds police.



EDIT- to correct that is should of said NOT!

[Andy9o8 0]

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It's now our job to be the worlds police.

"Now"?

[turtlespeed 212]

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It's now our job to be the worlds police.

Evidently if we don't we are Evil America. If we DO, we are Evil America. At least if we do, its doing more good than if we don't.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[Southern_Man 0]

I'd argue we are doing significantly more harm getting involved in situations that are none of our business. You have to consider second and third order effects as well.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[BillyVance 34]

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It's now our job to be the worlds police.

Team America fuck yeah! Coming to save the motherfucking day!

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Andy9o8 0]

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I'd argue we are doing significantly more harm getting involved in situations that are none of our business. You have to consider second and third order effects as well.

Typical liberals such as President Eisenhower and Gen. Douglas MacArthur knew this and repeatedly warned us about it. We ignored them. How's that worked out for us?

[Opie 0]

Sorry that was definitely a typo in my first post. Not our job!

[billvon 2,400]

>I personally think he will cower and cave again.

Good! Finally we have an adult in charge.

[wmw999 2,121]

Maybe as part of a coalition where we're asked to include ourselves.

I sure don't want to be, yet again, the John Wayne of the world, "riding to the rescue."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jclalor 12]

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I personally think he will cower and cave again.

BUT

We'll see.

"Game Changer"

What would you suggest he do?

[airdvr 197]

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

Shame really. I'm sure the people breathing their last will understand.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[billvon 2,400]

>Shame really. I'm sure the people breathing their last will understand.

Syria can kill them or we can kill them. Same result either way.

[popsjumper 2]

".... chemical weapons have been used in Syria by the regime of embattled President Bashar al-Assad."

OTOH, Islamic militants are increasingly picking up on the rebels side.
"One path is to provide more muscular support to certain rebel units. The administration has been reluctant to arm the rebels because Islamist radicals,"

Supporting the rebels against Assad is cutting our own throat...once again.

Your choice:
- Assad and chemical warfare
- Islamic rebels

Me? Neither. Stand back, wait for the dust to settle and then eradicate the winners.
(I'm in a militant mood today. )

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[jakee 1,254]

Without any definition of what qualifies as 'tough enough' the question is really just a general opinion poll on Obama.

Depending on the point of view of the reader whatever action Obama does take will simultaneously be way too tough, just right and totally pansy assed.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Andy9o8 0]

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Without any definition of what qualifies as 'tough enough' the question is really just a general opinion poll on Obama.

Depending on the point of view of the reader whatever action Obama does take will simultaneously be way too tough, just right and totally pansy assed.

It runs that risk, but need not necessarily be so. One can try to honestly define tough enough based on what he/she would do if President, and then predict whether Obama would do it.

The rebels are having their successes, but a lot of Assad's disproportionate power comes from his command of the air, as well as armor. So, if I were President, I'd try to put an international coalition together to impose air control similar to what was done by NATO in Kosovo and Libya - no fly zone, combined with high-altitude smart-missile attacks on government armor.

That said, I'm not holding my breath waiting for Obama to step up and do that. So no, by that self-defined metric, I predict that Obama probably won't take the lead to be "tough enough".

ETA: Several news stories I'm reading have the White House saying they want to carefully investigate, and not rush to judgment. Guess that's the word from on high.

[ryoder 1,384]

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It runs that risk, but need not necessarily be so. One can try to honestly define tough enough based on what he/she would do if President, and then predict whether Obama would do it.

The rebels are having their successes, but a lot of Assad's disproportionate power comes from his command of the air, as well as armor. So, if I were President, I'd try to put an international coalition together to impose air control similar to what was done by NATO in Kosovo and Libya - no fly zone, combined with high-altitude smart-missile attacks on government armor.

That said, I'm not holding my breath waiting for Obama to step up and do that. So no, by that self-defined metric, I predict that Obama probably won't take the lead to be "tough enough".

ETA: Several news stories I'm reading have the White House saying they want to carefully investigate, and not rush to judgment. Guess that's the word from on high.

You do realize that to "establish a no fly zone" means that you must first attack and destroy all of Syria's air-defenses, right?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[champu 1]

Comedy third option... Use this to get Iran and Al Qaeda fighting each other, then just leave.

[quade 3]

Actually, their radar and surface to air missles, but yeah, some action.

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[rwieder 0]

He ain't got the rocks.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

[Andy9o8 0]

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You do realize that to "establish a no fly zone" means that you must first attack and destroy all of Syria's air-defenses, right?

Of course - to some extent, as Paul said.

[turtlespeed 212]

Interesting Poll response.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Kennedy 0]

I'm not looking for another Iraq, trillions more spent, or more dead friends. OTOH, I'm not a fan of jihadis getting their hands on real NBC WMDs. This is the point where multinational agreement that something more than harsh letters but less than invasion is necessary toot sweet.

Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

Syria: Al-Qaeda's battle for control of Assad's chemical weapons plant

I won't hold my breath.

eta: links

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[popsjumper 2]

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>I personally think he will cower and cave again.

Good! Finally we have an adult in charge.

Where? Point him out? Where?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[billvon 2,400]

>Where? Point him out? Where?

The guy in the White House is, fortunately, not thinking with his dick when it comes to Syria. That might change of course. But for now he's not taking us into another pointless war that fails to accomplish its goals. Nice to see.