Zep 0 #1 April 18, 2013 Whilst there's a lot of comments on SC about gun laws and reforms I thought I'd chip in with my 10cts. A few years ago Spain introduced a new firearms law banning the hunting of small game (Rabbits, Hare, Foxes ect ) and birds ( Starlings and crows ) with a .22 or air rifle, then last year they made it legal to hunt small game with a .17HMR I think some one in the government didn't do their homework. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #3 April 18, 2013 Well, the .17HMR is a necked-down version of the 22 Win Mag, which is a much more powerful round than a standard 22 Long Rifle. Most of the "minimum caliber" laws are designed to ensure that wounded and lost game is kept to a minimum. From that standpoint, banning 22LR, but allowing 17HMR does make at least some sense. But that's assuming that the 22 ban you are talking about didn't ban 22WMR in addition to 22LR."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #4 April 18, 2013 Nope ban on the LR and WMR but I can shoot game with a .223 In my opinion the .22LR and the 5.5mm PCP air rifle are perfect guns for shooting small game out to 100mts. I have a .17HMR (as the government obliged me to buy one ) and I think it's an overkill. Ever shot a rabbit or hare with a .17HMR believe me it's not any good for the pot. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #5 April 18, 2013 QuoteBan rabbits! Now that's just racist, What they ever do to you. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #6 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteBan rabbits! Now that's just racist, What they ever do to you. http://www.livingelectro.com/files/images/s/36977/139783.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,139 #7 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteBan rabbits! Now that's just racist, What they ever do to you. Those things are dangerous! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #8 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteBan rabbits! Now that's just racist, What they ever do to you. They keep forgetting to make that left turn at Albuquerque. Elvisio "what a maroon" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #9 April 18, 2013 QuoteBan rabbits! Oh, now you did it!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 April 18, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteBan rabbits! Now that's just racist, What they ever do to you. Those things are dangerous! You're telling me!?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 April 18, 2013 Quote Whilst there's a lot of comments on SC about gun laws and reforms I thought I'd chip in with my 10cts. A few years ago Spain introduced a new firearms law banning the hunting of small game (Rabbits, Hare, Foxes ect ) and birds ( Starlings and crows ) with a .22 or air rifle, then last year they made it legal to hunt small game with a .17HMR I think some one in the government didn't do their homework. To ban small game shooting with .22LR is stupid, however .17HMR may be smaller but is more powerful. If you double the size of a bullet you double the energy but if you double the velocity you quadruple the energy. Look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSIp22uaWrQ Ahhh... Just read you post further down, now I understand why you said its crazy, overkill not bullet size. Yes you are right it will make a mess alright.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,060 #12 April 18, 2013 Hi turtle, One of the best bunnies of all time; RIP Christa, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #13 April 18, 2013 QuoteHi turtle, One of the best bunnies of all time; RIP Christa, JerryBaumchen I have always been a fan of . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 April 19, 2013 Quote To ban small game shooting with .22LR is stupid, however .17HMR may be smaller but is more powerful. If you double the size of a bullet you double the energy but if you double the velocity you quadruple the energy. Extra energy does you little good if the bullet passes through the target. I believe the 40 packs more KE than the typical 45, but most take the 40 as a compromise to get more rounds per magazine or the same weight. (rephrasing - those who pick the 40 due it as a compromise, not because the physics numbers say it's better) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,394 #15 April 19, 2013 Quote Hi turtle, One of the best bunnies of all time; RIP Christa, JerryBaumchen I prefer catch-and-release with that type of game."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #16 April 19, 2013 Here's a photo of a giant white rabbit (6ft 3.5ins) I shot last year Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #17 April 19, 2013 Quote Extra energy does you little good if the bullet passes through the target. I believe the 40 packs more KE than the typical 45, but most take the 40 as a compromise to get more rounds per magazine or the same weight. Most of the tactical shooters I know shoot 9mm or .45ACP. When looking at penetration, the .40 round doesn't have the penetration that the other 2 rounds have (based on research they did and shared with me). I believe it had only 9" of gel penetration where the other two were over 12" (where 12" is considered "lethal impact energy" by some folks). The .45ACP (depending on the numbers you look at) has between a one and five percent higher occurrence of "one shot stops" than a 9mm round (meaning the assailant stopped attacking after the first shot). Based on this, they choose 9mm based on it's penetration, capacity and recoil management. All that said, shot placement is still very important, and the gun you carry is better than the one you don't. (not to start the which caliber is better war) and I think the problem with small game and a .17HMR is the speed at impact. A supersonic impact will make a much larger wound channel than a sub sonic impact. A typical .22 round will leave the barrel just over 1000fps and at impact will have slowed. A .17HMR leave the barrel at about 2500fps and have a supersonic impact.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #18 April 19, 2013 Quote Here's a photo of a giant white rabbit (6ft 3.5ins) I shot last year Wholly Crap!Wow - that is an expressive set of ears if I ever saw any!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,394 #19 April 19, 2013 Quote Here's a photo of a giant white rabbit (6ft 3.5ins) I shot last year If Jimmy Stewart was still alive, I think he would be angry with you."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
