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dmcoco84 4
QuoteIt is silly to blindly believe that a person could not change his ideas in 220 years.
You have problems with reading comprehension.
Principles do not change. Human Nature has not changed.
QuoteSpecially when the technology that fueled the idea has drastically changed.
Technology had nothing to do with it... and if technology became an issue, the Constitution can easily be changed.
QuoteI also understand that to an American the idea of a founding father changing his mind is akin to a catholic being told there might not be a jesus.
That's pretty stupid and condescending.
Our own citizens, because of the Progressive Era, barely know history... so your insinuations about the Men of the Convention, when you don't even understand how they viewed the scale of Power, is ridiculous.
This is similar to the circular arguments I have had with Quade...
dmcoco84 4
Quote"The people of the country want this." So what?
Exactly... it CAN be changed, through Amendment, and set up this way to prevent actions based on emotion, instead of logic and reason.
dmcoco84 4
QuoteAnd maybe one needs to be American to understand that.
No, you just need to read more... stop watching tv.
QuoteI simply do not see being able to have free speech and being able to carry a gun around as equally important to the wellbeing of a society.
"being able to carry a gun around."
Sigh... pathetic.
yoink 321
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Human Nature has not changed.
Will you please stop saying this?
'Human Nature' is not equivalent to one mans opinions, ideals or beliefs. If it were 'Human Nature' then we'd all (or the vast majority) share that trait...
You're using a term that implies fait accompli to bolster an argument that is ENTIRELY based on beliefs. Franklins BELIEFS on safety vs freedom, and your BELIEF that it is impossible that this might have changed over the course of a quarter of a century.
DanG 1
QuoteI already have, multiple times... Death To Tyrants... my home state of Virginia's Motto.
Picking nits, "Sic semper tyranus" means "Thus always to tyrants", not death to tyrants.
- Dan G
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteI already have, multiple times... Death To Tyrants... my home state of Virginia's Motto.
Picking nits, "Sic semper tyranus" means "Thus always to tyrants", not death to tyrants.
Consider: an entire state whose motto basically translates to "Stick it up your ass." Classic.
DanG 1
QuoteConsider: an entire state whose motto basically translates to "Stick it up your ass." Classic.
Hells yeah.
Out flag has titties on it, too.
- Dan G
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteConsider: an entire state whose motto basically translates to "Stick it up your ass." Classic.
Hells yeah.
Out flag has titties on it, too.
Looks ambiguously androgynous. Could be man-boobs.
yoink 321
QuoteQuoteQuoteConsider: an entire state whose motto basically translates to "Stick it up your ass." Classic.
Hells yeah.
Out flag has titties on it, too.
Looks ambiguously androgynous. Could be man-boobs.
I've never seen that flag before. Why is the guy in a dress holding a massive grey pahllus?
DanG 1
QuoteCould be man-boobs.
It's like a Rorschach test. I see titty.
Besides, Virginia don't abide no homos.
- Dan G
QuoteQuoteThat's the point - the 2nd Amendment is no more - or less - important than any other Amendment. Than any other Constitutional right. All should get equal dignity.
And maybe one needs to be American to understand that. I simply do not see being able to have free speech and being able to carry a gun around as equally important to the wellbeing of a society.
And I understand that. But the Constitution is the supreme law of our land and it says that the right to bear arms still exists and is no less important than any other part of our Constitution - and its power exceeds that of poll numbers.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
QuoteOur own citizens, because of the Progressive Era, barely know history...
Irony bomb: An overwhelming majority of history majors would be classified as "progressives" or "liberals".
Blues,
Dave
"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)
(drink Mountain Dew)
OHCHUTE 0
The Senate did the right thing. There are too many gun laws already. I think this shows the polls have been wrong about how many people in the US are for more gun laws as if they were, more Senators would have voted for the measure. The people have spoken; get use to it.
Now lets see how we can curb nutjobs wanting to kill kids.
OH I know:
People: if you see or hear anything report it to the police.
Police: if some citizen tells you some nutjob is going to shoot up the place, watch him.
Any question?
Citizen activists and a proactive police force is our only solution.
Now lets see how we can curb nutjobs wanting to kill kids.
OH I know:
People: if you see or hear anything report it to the police.
Police: if some citizen tells you some nutjob is going to shoot up the place, watch him.
Any question?
Citizen activists and a proactive police force is our only solution.
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteso to repeat: "sorry, dekker, stick to facts actually in evidence."
Until you can find the Zombie Franklin and ask him, or supply some actual support for your claim he might propose a different viewpoint, it's a waste of our time to make such a banal statement that 'maybe he would change his mind.'
I actually said the opposite. But let's not have facts stand in the way.
It is silly to blindly believe that a person could not change his ideas in 220 years. Specially when the technology that fueled the idea has drastically changed.
I also understand that to an American the idea of a founding father changing his mind is akin to a catholic being told there might not be a jesus.
Principles
that is what is being talked about here
Principles do not "evolve"
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteThat's the point - the 2nd Amendment is no more - or less - important than any other Amendment. Than any other Constitutional right. All should get equal dignity.
And maybe one needs to be American to understand that. I simply do not see being able to have free speech and being able to carry a gun around as equally important to the wellbeing of a society.
So sorry
they are considered the same
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteOur own citizens, because of the Progressive Era, barely know history...
Irony bomb: An overwhelming majority of history majors would be classified as "progressives" or "liberals".
Blues,
Dave
And because progressives drive the curriculum, we no longer teach real history in our schools. Including colleges. History does not support progressive agendas
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
yoink 321
QuoteI think this shows the polls have been wrong about how many people in the US are for more gun laws as if they were, more Senators would have voted for the measure. The people have spoken; get use to it.
That's a possibility, certainly. Maybe the polls were inaccurate...
In scientific methodology when you get a result that doesn't align with your expectations you go back and check to see if you messed up something in your initial expectations. If you find that mistake (in this case it'd be the '90% of people' bits then you can run with the result you've got... You could probably say 'see - Government works!'
However if you go back and check and find out that that the polls WERE accurate, what then? What if 90% of the people are for more stringent controls but the system that's in place allows for Senators to be cajoled, bribed, blackmailed, forced, persuaded or otherwise convinced to act against those indicators for political expediency - what then?
We have a disparity between expectations and results. Something is wrong somewhere in the system... We should probably find out what.
yoink 321
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And because progressives drive the curriculum, we no longer teach real history in our schools.
Please define what you consider to be 'real history' as opposed to what is currently taught... I'm genuinely curious.
1969912 0
QuoteQuoteCould be man-boobs.
It's like a Rorschach test. I see titty.
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
And maybe one needs to be American to understand that. I simply do not see being able to have free speech and being able to carry a gun around as equally important to the wellbeing of a society.
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