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Andy9o8 0
QuoteI don't believe anyone.
I don't believe you.
QuoteDidn't you know that Government spending isn't a problem?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/01/08/no-spending-problem/
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I'm so fucking tired of hearing about the obama administration and how they want to help the middle class. What the fuck ever. Last time tax increases came out all I heard was how they only want to increase taxes on the rich. Then when it was released the middle class got tax increases anwyay. But then what would you expect. Politicians are all fucking liars anyway.
Guys, it should be pretty clear to anyone paying attention that Obama is not the problem. It's the people who vote that are the problem.
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rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteI don't believe anyone.
I don't believe you.
me neither
edit: i know that, based on my original statement, that it's a given - or at least a semantically null pairing of statements
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Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't believe anyone.
I don't believe you.
me neither
I don't believe that, either.
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't believe anyone.
I don't believe you.
me neither
I don't believe that, either.
you shouldn't, I don't trust him one bit
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
billvon 2,426
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> It's the people who vote that are the problem.
Agreed. Republicans want more military spending and lower taxes on the rich. Democrats want more social spending and lower taxes on the poor. The common themes - more spending, lower taxes, and screw the other guy.
Agreed. Republicans want more military spending and lower taxes on the rich. Democrats want more social spending and lower taxes on the poor. The common themes - more spending, lower taxes, and screw the other guy.
rehmwa 2
Quote> It's the people who vote that are the problem.
Agreed. Republicans want more military spending and lower taxes on the rich. Democrats want more social spending and lower taxes on the poor. The common themes - more spending, lower taxes, and screw the other guy.
Poor Libertarians (real ones, not the ones that keep getting hijacked) - they just want a Lot less spending and lower taxes on everyone. No one likes that at all.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
champu 1
Quote> It's the people who vote that are the problem.
Agreed. Republicans want more military spending and lower taxes on the rich. Democrats want more social spending and lower taxes on the poor. The common themes - more spending, lower taxes, and screw the other guy.
Don't forget, there are people who reason that spending more increases revenues thus lowering the deficit, and there are people who reason that lowering taxes will increase revenues thus lowering the deficit.
So we'll be more than fine.
billvon 2,426
>there are people who reason that spending more increases revenues . . . .
>and there are people who reason that lowering taxes will increase revenues . . . .
The problem is they are both right. But the conclusion you listed after those statements ("thus lowering the deficit") is the problem. Doesn't work.
And here's another problem - in another few years the economy will recover as it always does. Revenues will go up. And all this talk about cutting spending and taxing more will go flying right out the window, as politicians assume that we will always have this bumper crop of tax money and thus no longer need to worry about the deficit.
Keynesian economic fixes (spend more, cut taxes) do indeed help an economy recover from a recession. But if we want to do that we have to have the discipline to do the exact opposite once the economy recovers. And so far no one has been willing to do that.
>and there are people who reason that lowering taxes will increase revenues . . . .
The problem is they are both right. But the conclusion you listed after those statements ("thus lowering the deficit") is the problem. Doesn't work.
And here's another problem - in another few years the economy will recover as it always does. Revenues will go up. And all this talk about cutting spending and taxing more will go flying right out the window, as politicians assume that we will always have this bumper crop of tax money and thus no longer need to worry about the deficit.
Keynesian economic fixes (spend more, cut taxes) do indeed help an economy recover from a recession. But if we want to do that we have to have the discipline to do the exact opposite once the economy recovers. And so far no one has been willing to do that.
airdvr 198
QuoteAnd here's another problem - in another few years the economy will recover as it always does.
Every time we've had a recession the economy never comes back to it's prior level. I'm afraid to say that 7-8% unemployment will now be the norm. This is the recovery.
Please don't dent the planet.
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billvon 2,426
>Every time we've had a recession the economy never comes back to it's prior level.
In what respect? Our real (adjusted for inflation) GDP has been growing for as long as we've been measuring it.
> I'm afraid to say that 7-8% unemployment will now be the norm. This is the recovery.
If that were really true I would be encouraged; it would indicate that our economy is "smoothing out." But I doubt it.
In what respect? Our real (adjusted for inflation) GDP has been growing for as long as we've been measuring it.
> I'm afraid to say that 7-8% unemployment will now be the norm. This is the recovery.
If that were really true I would be encouraged; it would indicate that our economy is "smoothing out." But I doubt it.
QuoteQuote> It's the people who vote that are the problem.
Agreed. Republicans want more military spending and lower taxes on the rich. Democrats want more social spending and lower taxes on the poor. The common themes - more spending, lower taxes, and screw the other guy.
Poor Libertarians (real ones, not the ones that keep getting hijacked) - they just want a Lot less spending and lower taxes on everyone. No one likes that at all.
I really like the idea of Libertarians getting off the sinking ship. My only concern is the new "ship" literally sinking.
http://theweek.com/article/index/218393/libertarian-island-a-billionaires-utopia
I'm convinced people with a political bent don't want a solution, they just want to be "right". Narcissism runs strong in those with political stripes.
billvon 2,426
>My only concern is the new "ship" literally sinking.
I like it! Although probably just easier to buy a cruise ship:
http://cruiseship.homestead.com/cruiseships.html
I like it! Although probably just easier to buy a cruise ship:
http://cruiseship.homestead.com/cruiseships.html
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they just want a Lot less spending and lower taxes on everyone. No one likes that at all.
Just got back from sharing adult beverages with friends of mine in the business. Most Americans have no idea how to participate in a market based system. This is a serious issue. Our education system is failing miserably.
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Not the education system. People quickly learn whatever system is in front of them. IF we moved towards a market based system people would learn how to participate.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
OHCHUTE 0
All I want to know is why the stock market it going up. Where is all the money coming from that's pushing up the market?
I never understood why the government always wanted to plan budgets long after they are not in office. We need to have some type of law that states that the president, congressman, senator, etc cannot propose a budget beyond their current elected term!
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