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rushmc 18
Quotebefore anything is done, the problem has to be identified. i do not think there is a problem with guns here, it is a problem with the glorification of violence in society. and the falsification of violence; nothing is ever shown of the consequences, and even the violence depicted is seldom accurate: in any fight scene you have ever seen, how many cuts and bruises are shown? or how often is a guy hit with a heavy blunt object knocked out?
until this is addressed, simply making it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun legally will do nothing to stem the tide of violence and/or death.
and there is a huge difference in choosing to use any safety device(aad, seat belt, etc.) and having the government mandate the use. anyone for government intervention in skydiving and outlawing swooping??
anyone??
Good post
Not the first time but now is a good time to bring it up again
Guns are not the issue. Taking guns away will not eliminate violence
And I think swooping and small canopies should be outlawed because it may save just one life and that would be worth it
(Sarcasm off)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 18
QuoteFirst, you have a burning desire to disarm the peasants.
Then, you use an emotional event or series of events to get people upset.
You channel that emotion toward your own ends.
The peasants are one step closer to being totally disarmed. Eventually, your children will rule their children despite all the 'democracy' nonsense.
You got your nomex on, right?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
davjohns 1
Sometimes, the truth hurts.
The apparent goal is to reduce the violence we have seen recently. The proposed solutions are acknowledged to have no such effect. Therefore, the actual goals must be different.
The proposed solutions include: outlawing guns with barrel shrouds (lots of drive-by shrouding going on); outlawing guns with threaded barrels (WTF?); outlawing guns with extra grips (which make them harder to conceal); outlawing guns with collapsing stocks (which make them esier to conceal, but still bloody hard); etc.
My proposal for the actual goals are consistent with the actions of those proposing new rules.
When people's words and actions don't agree, watch their actions. Those tell you their true intent.
The proposed actions are not logically designed to bring about the stated intent. Therefore, the stated intent is a lie. I propose an actual intent that is more in line with the actions when you ignore the lie.
The apparent goal is to reduce the violence we have seen recently. The proposed solutions are acknowledged to have no such effect. Therefore, the actual goals must be different.
The proposed solutions include: outlawing guns with barrel shrouds (lots of drive-by shrouding going on); outlawing guns with threaded barrels (WTF?); outlawing guns with extra grips (which make them harder to conceal); outlawing guns with collapsing stocks (which make them esier to conceal, but still bloody hard); etc.
My proposal for the actual goals are consistent with the actions of those proposing new rules.
When people's words and actions don't agree, watch their actions. Those tell you their true intent.
The proposed actions are not logically designed to bring about the stated intent. Therefore, the stated intent is a lie. I propose an actual intent that is more in line with the actions when you ignore the lie.
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
rushmc 18
QuoteSometimes, the truth hurts.
The apparent goal is to reduce the violence we have seen recently. The proposed solutions are acknowledged to have no such effect. Therefore, the actual goals must be different.
The proposed solutions include: outlawing guns with barrel shrouds (lots of drive-by shrouding going on); outlawing guns with threaded barrels (WTF?); outlawing guns with extra grips (which make them harder to conceal); outlawing guns with collapsing stocks (which make them esier to conceal, but still bloody hard); etc.
My proposal for the actual goals are consistent with the actions of those proposing new rules.
When people's words and actions don't agree, watch their actions. Those tell you their true intent.
The proposed actions are not logically designed to bring about the stated intent. Therefore, the stated intent is a lie. I propose an actual intent that is more in line with the actions when you ignore the lie.
EXCELLENT!! Well stated and I totally agree
I will copy and paste this post (with your permission) the next time Quade or another says no one is wanting to take your guns away
Still, make sure your FR clothing is on
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
davjohns 1
Anything I put online can be used without permission. It's kind of the rules of the internet as far as I'm concerned. That's why there are no naked pictures of me in the world. lol
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
rushmc 18
QuoteAnything I put online can be used without permission. It's kind of the rules of the internet as far as I'm concerned. That's why there are no naked pictures of me in the world. lol
I know
Just being sardonic
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 1,647
QuoteQuoteYes that's what I said
ll
The US has a problem with gun violence. Guns kill more Americans than terrorism kills people worldwide.
No
The US has a violence problen
Yet it is less than many other countries that have few guns
76% of US murders are committed with guns. You CAN figure it out if you really try to overcome your prejudice.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 1,647
QuoteQuoteNothing can absolutely prevent anything. However, a decrease in gun deaths and injuries can be a significant impact on accidental deaths.
Whether or not that is possible is debatable. There are many countries with lower gun ownership rates than the US; many of them have lower gun death rates as well. Most of those have higher other-weapon death rates than ours, but most of them (as compared to their own population) have lower overall murder rates than ours.
Personally, I'd be all over a proposal for a scheme like the one that you said is the case for Iowa, where someone has to have an "OK to buy guns" card, issued by a local authority. That ensures at least some sort of due process, and provides a fairly clear-cut dividing line for legal vs. illegal transactions.
Seat belts don't prevent all auto fatalities; neither does making drunk driving illegal. Reserves don't prevent all skydiving fatalities, but most of us use them. There are few 100% solutions to anything in the world, and there are none to complex problems. So if a problem is identified (whether it's a problem is sometimes the debate), the only way to address it is piecemeal.
Wendy P.
Iowa's process does seem to work ok
And 33 states have no such process.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
yoink 321
Quote
Why implement any of them?
Because they might reduce the liklihood of such an event in the future.
Yet another BS strawman argument from Rush...
I'm so bored of your (and others) continual 'if we can't 'fix' everything at once, we may as well do nothing at all' arguments. That, combined with the 'but x causes more deaths than guns' is getting really tedious.
Do you have anything new or interesting to say, because if you're just going to keep repeating the same stuff but voiced in different ways, I could replace your posts with a very simple computer script...
Let me see -
RUSH:
option Explicit
Dim arMessages(10) as string
'
private Sub Form_Load()
Randomize Timer
arMessages(0) = "Violates 2nd ammendment"
arMessages(1) = "Unconstitutional"
arMessages(2) = "No proof it would have worked before"
arMessages(3) = "No AR was used!"
arMessages(4) = "Cars cause more accidents - fix that first"
arMessages(5) = "Arm everyone! that's the solution!"
End Sub
'
private Function GetRandomMessage() as string
Dim iIndex as Integer
iIndex = Int(11 * Rnd)
GetRandomMessage = arMessages(iIndex)
End Function
'
private Sub cmdGetText_Click()
MsgBox GetRandomMessage()
End Sub
there you go. You entire contribution... feel free to use it next time you want to make a post.
kallend 1,647
QuoteIt's like giving antibiotics to treat the flu in a child. Even though it won't have any beneficial effect, and may even have a negative effect, the pediatrician may feel compelled to treat the parent.
No. It's like giving flu vaccine to prevent the flu. About 66% effective but worthwhile all the same.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteQuoteYes that's what I said
The US has a problem with gun violence. Guns kill more Americans than terrorism kills people worldwide.
No
The US has a violence problen
Yet it is less than many other countries that have few guns
76% of US murders are committed with guns. You CAN figure it out if you really try to overcome your prejudice.
Fewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also.
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteQuoteYes that's what I said
The US has a problem with gun violence. Guns kill more Americans than terrorism kills people worldwide.
No
The US has a violence problen
Yet it is less than many other countries that have few guns
76% of US murders are committed with guns. You CAN figure it out if you really try to overcome your prejudice.
Everyone already knows you want to ban guns
No need to prove it anymore
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 1,647
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYes that's what I said
The US has a problem with gun violence. Guns kill more Americans than terrorism kills people worldwide.
No
The US has a violence problen
Yet it is less than many other countries that have few guns
76% of US murders are committed with guns. You CAN figure it out if you really try to overcome your prejudice.
Fewer guns does not equate to fewer murders. You need to overcome your prejudice also.
You might want to check the statistics on gun ownership and murder rate in developed (first world) nations before making a claim like that.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Then, you use an emotional event or series of events to get people upset.
You channel that emotion toward your own ends.
The peasants are one step closer to being totally disarmed. Eventually, your children will rule their children despite all the 'democracy' nonsense.
But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.
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