livendive 8 #226 November 21, 2012 Do you want to be the one to tell them, "This year, give me that $1.25 worth of turkey back and be thankful for the food we used to give you"? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #227 November 21, 2012 We can either continue on the path we are on or we can change it. The country chose to stay on the path we are on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #228 November 21, 2012 QuoteWe can either continue on the path we are on or we can change it. The country chose to stay on the path we are on. ..... in preference to reverting to a path that had already been proven not to work. Yep, correct.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #229 November 21, 2012 QuoteDo you want to be the one to tell them, "This year, give me that $1.25 worth of turkey back and be thankful for the food we used to give you"? Blues, Dave If turkey is too expensive, I'm sure the 1% will advise them to just eat cake.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 292 #230 November 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteDo you want to be the one to tell them, "This year, give me that $1.25 worth of turkey back and be thankful for the food we used to give you"? Blues, Dave If turkey is too expensive, I'm sure the 1% will advise them to just eat cake. There were 14 turkeys in my back yard Saturday. Anyone is welcome to them -- they use my deck and the pool apron as a latrine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #231 November 21, 2012 Exactly. Borrowing money and giving it away to win votes has never been a productive economic model. Doubling down and spending even more is even dumber. But "that's what the people want, so lets go for it because it gets us elected" is off the stupidity charts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #232 November 21, 2012 QuoteWe can either continue on the path we are on or we can change it. The country chose to stay on the path we are on. Yes. Americans voted to continue with the economic recovery and rejected the candidate who wanted to return the country to the failed policies that played such a large role in the economic collapse of 2008.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #233 November 21, 2012 Great thinking. Lets blame Bush as a justification to hasten our economic collapse. Voters will get exactly the government they wanted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #234 November 21, 2012 QuoteGreat thinking. Lets blame Bush as a justification to hasten our economic collapse. Voters will get exactly the government they wanted. Newsflash: Obama's policies arrested the economic collapse, which began before he took office. They didn't cause it. The cause was insufficient financial regulation and unsound fiscal policies, e.g., supply-side economic policy.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #235 November 21, 2012 >Lets blame Bush as a justification to hasten our economic collapse. Makes as much sense as your blaming Obama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #236 November 21, 2012 I have said many times that both parties were to blame. Obama claimed his policies would make things like the unemployment rate and debt lower. He's been a miserable failure in that regard. Continuing those same policies will not directly improve anything. Claiming he just needs more time is like continuing to double down in a casino because that's the only way to get your money back. It's a fools game and only fools believe in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #237 November 21, 2012 >Obama claimed his policies would make things like the unemployment rate and debt lower. Which they did. >Continuing those same policies will not directly improve anything. See, that's one of the reasons conservatives lost. "The economy is not improving! I know it looks like it is but it's not. Trust us!" After enough of that you start wondering "what else are they lying about?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #238 November 21, 2012 Unbelievable, if you actually believe what you just wrote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #239 November 21, 2012 >Unbelievable, if you actually believe what you just wrote. I think your inability to believe it is similar to the right wing's inability to believe that they could possibly lose the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #240 November 21, 2012 QuoteI have said many times that both parties were to blame. Obama claimed his policies would make things like the unemployment rate and debt lower. He's been a miserable failure in that regard. Continuing those same policies will not directly improve anything. Claiming he just needs more time is like continuing to double down in a casino because that's the only way to get your money back. It's a fools game and only fools believe in it.1. The economy is improving, albeit more slowly than anticipated. 2. The slow pace is in large part to to the Republican strategy of opposing everything Obama has proposed, even if that mean turning their back on long-standing Republican policies. Republican politicians have made it clear that economic recovery plays a distant second fiddle to their own desire for more power. 3. It isn't clear to me how doubling down on the very policies that caused the recession in the first place are likely to get us out of it any faster. Supply-side economics has never worked, and can never work for obvious reasons. There is zero evidence that tax holidays for the extremely wealthy has ever had any beneficial effect on investment rates, indeed history indicates that the correlation between the two is approximately zero. 4. Even if I were inclined to favor Republican economic theories, all the cramming fundamentalist Christianity down our throats/anti-science/anti-education/anti-minority bullshit would be a poison pill for me. The Republican Party has labeled me as Satan's minion, who's life work is to send unsuspecting young minds to Hell. Why the fuck would I ever vote to support that kind of BS? 5. Between their economic dogma and their anti-science rhetoric, it is clear that the Republican Party is incapable of objectively evaluating facts and making logical conclusions. Instead they insist on a cloud-cuckoo world in which reality is entirely subservient to their dogma. In Republican-land, they told no lies during the campaign, because there is no such thing as objective reality; instead reality is whatever they define it to be. This disqualifies them from running a hot dog stand, much less the country, IMO. That'll do for a start. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #241 November 21, 2012 QuoteI have said many times that both parties were to blame. Obama claimed his policies would make things like the unemployment rate and debt lower. He's been a miserable failure in that regard. Continuing those same policies will not directly improve anything. Claiming he just needs more time is like continuing to double down in a casino because that's the only way to get your money back. It's a fools game and only fools believe in it. You should take a look at the numbers in Reagan's first term. Remarkable similarity. Inherited a shitty situation, it got worse for two years, and then got back to its starting point for the 84 election. By your same reasoning, he accomplished nothing. The question really is about your belief or lack thereof that Obama can continue the upward trajectory, or if Romney could have. The chances are better now than they were in 2008 for either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,661 #242 November 21, 2012 Perhaps if the GOP's stated #1 priority was to work on the economy instead of making Obama a one term president they would have more credibility when it comes to economic issues.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #243 November 21, 2012 So you acknowledge that Reagan's policies worked. Please explain to Georgia Don. He's so anti anything Republican that he actually thinks they all hate him based on the comments of a few. The tragedy is not how and why Republicans lost. It's how and why Democrats won. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,661 #244 November 22, 2012 QuoteSo you acknowledge that Reagan's policies worked. OK, let's return to the tax rates that applied during the most successful years of Reagan's term. Top rate was 50% wasn't it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #245 November 23, 2012 That's the point I keep trying to get across - unsuccessfully. The Democrats didn't win this; the Republicans lost. The Democrats haven't had a budget, they haven't had an idea, their hallmark achievement, Obamacare, is one of the most poorly written pieces of legislation you can imagine. There is no way Obama should have won election to a second term, but he did, because the Republicans lost. They sent people who are on their second and third wives to tell us about family values. They sent people who have never been part of the middle class to speak for the middle class. They turned off so many of their own constituents that they lost to a loser.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
