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Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women.



It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think.:P


What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you.


Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose.


And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable.


Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind.


You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

It's really funny watching someone in such serious denial.


So, was that a yes or a no? Not that I think you will answer.


Invalid questions don't deserve answers.

Just keep up the denial, I don't mind. I'm sure women, Hispanics, young people, and other minorities won't mind either. Nor will the people with graduate degrees and others who can do math. They'll just keep your guys out of office for longer.


There it is ladies and gentlemen. The famous Kallend tap dance on display for all to see.

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Invalid questions don't deserve answers.

Just keep up the denial, I don't mind. I'm sure women, Hispanics, young people, and other minorities won't mind either. Nor will the people with graduate degrees and others who can do math. They'll just keep your guys out of office for longer.

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There it is ladies and gentlemen. The famous Kallend tap dance on display for all to see.



Hey Gravitymaster, when did you stop sodomizing your neighbour?

(now watch Gravitymaster tap dance and claim he never did, or claim it is an invalid question. Anything to avoind giving a (wait for the pun) straight answer)

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Reminds me of the Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women.



It matters not what you think of Democrats claims that Republicans have a war on women. What matters is what voting women think.:P


What matters is if you trust a government so willing to bullshit you.


Your replies are exemplars of why Republicans lost, and will continues to lose.


And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why they lost the election is completely laughable.


Seems the voters are in agreement with me. But keep it up, and keep losing, I won't mind.


You get more hysterical with every post. Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him for the reasons you profess? Seriously, that's what you think of Democrats? Pretty funny stuff.


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

It's really funny watching someone in such serious denial.


So, was that a yes or a no? Not that I think you will answer.


Invalid questions don't deserve answers.

Just keep up the denial, I don't mind. I'm sure women, Hispanics, young people, and other minorities won't mind either. Nor will the people with graduate degrees and others who can do math. They'll just keep your guys out of office for longer.


There it is ladies and gentlemen. The famous Kallend tap dance on display for all to see.


DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt. Get over yourself.

Your guy lost because he was unpalatable to a bunch of demographic groups, including women and minorities. He spoke out of both sides of his mouth. His campaign organization was inept. His VP pick is a bald faced liar. The party platform IS anti-female and intrusive. Their economic policies are mathematically impossible, and if they depend on people who think like you to win elections, they will become more and more irrelevant.

But encourage your party leaders to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. That's fine with me.

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here we go, straight from the man himself.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/romney-blames-loss-on-obamas-gifts-to-minorities-and-young-voters/

summation: "Obama promised to give Americans things they want, so he won the election".

:D:D

Also, if Bobby Jindal decided to run for president, i think it would make it a race to watch. Here's his response to that little Romney hilarity:

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/15/louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-blasts-mitt-romney-for-blaming-defeat-barack-obama-gifts/CKMQJa7p92PwSc7FXxvYqI/story.html

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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here we go, straight from the man himself.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/romney-blames-loss-on-obamas-gifts-to-minorities-and-young-voters/

summation: "Obama promised to give Americans things they want, so he won the election".

:D:D

Also, if Bobby Jindal decided to run for president, i think it would make it a race to watch. Here's his response to that little Romney hilarity:

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/15/louisiana-governor-bobby-jindal-blasts-mitt-romney-for-blaming-defeat-barack-obama-gifts/CKMQJa7p92PwSc7FXxvYqI/story.html



Romney became Yesterday's News at about 11:08 pm EST on Election Night. Well, that's the case with most losing presidential candidates. But unlike, say, John McCain, who has generally tried (even if in a partisan way) to maintain a dignified voice in the national conversation, Romney has now also sealed his transformation into Irrelevant, Whiny Prison Bitch.

Jindal, of course, has national aspirations. Watch for him, Ryan and Santorum in the 2016 GOP primaries. Jindal is damned if he's going to let Romney's ball & chain drag him down along with Mitt. Gotta give Bobby credit: mighty fast cutaway!

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>And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why
>they lost the election is completely laughable.

I bet you don't find these people as laughable:

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Meanwhile, Republican governors who were meeting in Las Vegas, Nevada, said their party needed to learn lessons before the next presidential election in 2016.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said Republicans needed to accept "we got beat", and several Republicans said the party could lose again if it doesn't change its strategy.

Describing Mr Romney's analysis as "absolutely wrong", he told Politico: "We have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100% of the votes, not 53%. We need to go after every single vote.

Former Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said: "We need to have a brutal, brutally honest assessment of everything we did... and determine what we did that worked and what we did that didn't work."
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Are you actually claiming that Obama voters are so shallow in their thinking that they voted for him



Only the black ones according to you :D:D:D


Please cite where I have ever made such a statement.


"In short, they vote for him mainly becasue he's black. Same with Obama."

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>And your attempts to take everything you dislike about Republicans and claim it's why
>they lost the election is completely laughable.

I bet you don't find these people as laughable:

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Meanwhile, Republican governors who were meeting in Las Vegas, Nevada, said their party needed to learn lessons before the next presidential election in 2016.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said Republicans needed to accept "we got beat", and several Republicans said the party could lose again if it doesn't change its strategy.

Describing Mr Romney's analysis as "absolutely wrong", he told Politico: "We have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100% of the votes, not 53%. We need to go after every single vote.

Former Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said: "We need to have a brutal, brutally honest assessment of everything we did... and determine what we did that worked and what we did that didn't work."
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Jindal sounds like quite a smart cookie. Maybe there is hops for the republicans after all.
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>Maybe there is hops for the republicans after all.

That's the name of my new beer - hops for republicans.

But seriously I agree. A government dominated by one party isn't good for anyone. I hope the republicans moderate their more extreme stances and get some popular support back. Despite what you see from some of their more stalwart elements, I think the Jindals will win out in the end.

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You want denial? You should read Karl Rove's latest. He's still massaging the numbers to show that changes in demographics, liberal media smear campaigns, the entitlement mentality, and anything else he can think of that's not the Republicans fault caused so much of his superpac money to fall on deaf ears.
I have yet to see a good explanation why Alaska and Wyoming, which get more federal aid per capita than any other states, went for Romney, while Virginia and Nevada, which get the least, went for Obama? Why did Maine and Vermont, which have virtually no black and latino voters, go for Obama while Alabama and Mississippi went for Romney? Why did more people believe the lies and smears of the mainstream, liberal media, when Fox News Channel consistently comes out on top of the ratings for viewership?
I guess the simple answer would be that a large part of the Republican demographic quit believing the Republican bulllshit, but I'm not sure how Karl is going to attract more money to his superpac with that explanation.
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Good letter from a guy who decided not to vote Republican this time around:
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To whom it may concern regarding the United States federal elections of 2014, 2016 and beyond:

Allow me to introduce myself to you, the existing (or aspiring!) strategist for the Republican Party. My name is Eric Arnold Garland and I am a White Man. Boy, am I ever – you need sunglasses just to look at my photo!

If I read the news correctly, I fit a profile that is of extreme importance to the GOP, as I embody the archetype that fits your narrative of Real Americans. Just how much should my profile interest you? Are you sitting down?

My family lineage goes back to the MAYFLOWER, BOAT ONE!!! (Garland family of New England-> John Adams -> Howard Alden -> Plymouth colony ->KINGS OF MUTHAF***IN’ ENGLAND)
I am a heterosexual, married to the super Caucasian mother of my two beautiful children who are, inexplicably, EVEN WHITER THAN I AM.
I am college educated (Master’s degree!) and affluent.
I am a job creator and small businessman.
We pay a lot of taxes! Every year!
I grew up in a rural area and despise laziness!
Having started my own business, I have complained at length about the insanity of federal, state and local bureaucracy – and its deleterious impact on the innovative small businessman.
I currently live in the suburbs in a historically Red state.

HOLY WHITE PEOPLE, BATMAN!!! Wow, you’re thinking – this is not some Mexirican in the Sun Belt we need to attract via harsh anti-Castro policies or appeals to “valores de familia” - this is the BREAD AND BUTTER OF THE GRAND OLD PARTY, a Mayflower-descended small business owner, burdened by taxation, looking out for his beautiful White family in the suburbs of a city (St Louis) surrounded by racial tension and urban blight!

How can I put this gently? My wife and I are not sensitive to your messaging, nor did we vote for the candidates you proposed for us this past Tuesday.

B-b-but, what? Aren’t we investors, hard-workin’ white folk surrounded by same in a manicured cul-de-sac, scared by a vision of economic collapse amidst the takers in a land of fewer givers? Didn’t Mitt Romney’s strong family, wealth, leadership history and chiseled chin give us the uncontrollable urge to high-five him into the White House?

No.

May I explain why not, purely for your education, such that you might be interested in winning an election on the national level at some point in the future? It bears pointing out that I should be your Low Hanging Fruit, the easy vote to get as opposed to, say, African-Americans, Latinos, or Asians – and you’re not even speaking well to me. The reasons why ought to concern you deeply.

As a Card-Carrying White Male I love expressing my opinion irrespective of whether people care to hear it, so let’s get started.

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Science - One of the reasons my family is affluent is that my wife and I have a collective fifteen years of university education between us. I have a Masters degree in Science and Technology Policy, and my wife is a physician who holds degrees in medicine as well as cell and molecular biology. We are really quite unimpressed with Congressional representatives such as Todd Akin and Paul Broun who actually serve on the House science committee and who believe, respectively, that rape does not cause pregnancy and that evolution and astrophysics are lies straight from Satan’s butt cheeks. These are, sadly, only two of innumerable assaults that the Republican Party has made against hard science – with nothing to say of logic in general. Please understand the unbearable tension this might create between us and your candidates.

Climate - Within just the past 18 months the following events have come to our attention: a record-breaking drought that sent temperatures over 100 degrees for weeks, killing half the corn in the Midwest and half the TREES on our suburban property – AND – a hurricane that drowned not New Orleans or Tampa or North Carolina but my native state of VERMONT. As an encore, a second hurricane drowned lower Manhattan, New Jersey and Long Island. The shouted views of decrepit mental fossil Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma that this is a fraud perpetrated on the American people by evil, conspiring climate scientists is belied by such events and is looking irresponsible to even the most skeptical.

Healthcare - My wife and I are quite familiar with America’s healthcare system due to our professions, and having lived abroad extensively, also very aware of comparable systems. Your party’s insistence on declaring the private U.S. healthcare system “the best in the world” fails nearly every factual measure available to any curious mind. We watch our country piss away 60% more expenditures than the next most expensive system (Switzerland) for health outcomes that rival former Soviet bloc nations. On a personal scale, my wife watches poor WORKING people show up in emergency rooms with fourth-stage cancer because they were unable to afford primary care visits. I have watched countless small businesses unable to attract talented workers because of the outrageous and climbing cost of private insurance. And I watch European and Asian businesses outpace American companies because they can attract that talent without asking people to risk bankruptcy and death. That you think this state of affairs is somehow preferable to “Obamacare,” which you compared ludicrously to Trotskyite Russian communism, is a sign of deficient minds unfit to guide health policy in America.

War - Nations do have to go to war sometimes, but that Iraq thing was pretty bad, to put it mildly. Somebody should have been, I dunno – FIRED for bad performance. Aren’t you the party of good corporate managers or something? This topic could get 10,000 words on its own. Let’s just leave it at: You guys suck at running wars.

Deficits and debt - Whenever the GOP is out of power, it immediately appeals to the imagination of voters who remember the Lyndon Baines Johnson (!) administration and claim that the Republican alternative is the party of “cutting spending” and “reducing the deficit.” The only problem with your claim is that Republican governments throughout my entire 38 year life (Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43) have failed to cut spending and deficit and debt EVEN ONCE. I hope you understand that your credibility suffers every time you promise one thing for three decades and do the EXACT OPPOSITE. Egads – if you actually were the party of fiscal responsibility – you might win our votes despite your 13th century view of science!

Gay marriage - As the child of Baby Boomers who got divorced (as was the fashion!) in the 80s and 90s, and for whom 50% of my friends had their homes broken by divorce in the critical years before age 18, I sure am unsympathetic to your caterwauling bullshit that “gays will destroy the sanctity of marriage.” Perhaps if everyone in your generation didn’t take the period of 1978 – 1995 to start surreptitiously banging their neighbors and coworkers, only to abandon their kids because “they just weren’t happy,” I would take your defense of marriage more seriously. The institution of Middle Class suburban marriage was broken by the generation of aging white Baby Boomers who populate what is left of the Republican Party, so your defense is wrongheaded and disingenuous. And moreover, as someone who got called “faggot” about 127 times a day from the years 1985 through 1991 – guess what – I grew up to be pretty good friends with actual homosexuals, whose sexual orientation is usually the least significant thing about them. The Republican perseveration on homosexuals as any sort of threat consigns them to history’s trough of intellectual pig dung.

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That’s quite enough for one essay, wouldn’t you say? Now, given my initial description as a wealthy, hard-working, job creating, heterosexual, married suburban White Male – doesn’t your current platform look woefully insufficient to the task of gaining my vote? This doesn’t even get into the demographic tensions that show that people of my exact profile are going away permanently in America. You can’t even win on what you perceive to be “home field advantage.”

Uh oh, wait, I can already hear you through the web browser, dismissing all of my above points because THAT GUY WAS NEVER GONNA BE A REPUBLICAN ANYHOW, CUZ HE’S A LIBRUL WHO HATES AMERICA AND…

All right, let’s do one last point:

Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.

If you want to know exactly where you failed in 2012, and will continue to fail, here it is. Look you assholes, I’m as traditional an American as it gets, and I do not “want free stuff.” I am a taxpayer, and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. I got my first job – dragging bags of cow manure, horse feed and fertilizer around a farm store – when I was 12. I started my first company when I was 28. I have followed the vast majority of the rules set out for middle class white males (for good and for ill.) And if it weren’t bad enough that your policy positions are a complete clusterfuck for the reasons I lay out in great detail, you manage to follow up the whole exercise with insulting me, my wife, and my friends of every stripe who didn’t vote for your political party – all of whom are hard-working, taxpaying, job creating, law abiding, great AMERICANS of EVERY COLOR AND CREED.

From this white, Mayflower-descended strategic analyst, allow me to offer you the three strategic options you have before you:

1. You drastically moderate your platform to harmonize with the policy positions I present above

2. You disband the party and reorganize it to reflect current realities

3. You kick and scream and stamp your feet and call me and my friends names – and submit to several decades of one party rule

While I do not want a one-party system, I also don’t particularly care which of these options you choose. If you look carefully at the numbers on Tuesday, nobody else cares, either.

Just a word to the wise from one White Man to (presumably) another.
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Nice. Although he and I aren't identical, I fully agree with his points.

I've voted mostly "R" for a long time, until this year.

I tolerated the positions that I disagreed with because there were enough that I did agree with, or becuase I disagreed with the "D" candidate more.

But not this time.

Science, fiscal issues, social issues and health care.

The Rs are so far removed from my world that I simply couldn't vote for them.
And I know I'm not alone.
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Maybe there is hops for the republicans after all.



Really?

thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/15/1194481/maine-gop-dozens-black-voters/?mobile=nc

So now black people turning up to vote indicates fraud?



“I regret saying the word black because it wasn’t like I was singling out black,”

That's interesting Mr Webster. So if you weren't talking about black people, what exactly was your point?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Nice. Although he and I aren't identical, I fully agree with his points.

I've voted mostly "R" for a long time, until this year.

I tolerated the positions that I disagreed with because there were enough that I did agree with, or becuase I disagreed with the "D" candidate more.

But not this time.

Science, fiscal issues, social issues and health care.

The Rs are so far removed from my world that I simply couldn't vote for them.
And I know I'm not alone.




Ditto! And wow, what a great letter that guy wrote. I need to save that and make sure to post it every time a friend starts up the whole "they just voted for Obama because they're lazy and want free stuff," facebook status. Really cracks me up!
Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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>The narcissism displayed by left wing voters during this last election is just stunning.

I know! They voted for the candidate they wanted to win. Those democrats are always "oh, I want guy A to win so I'm going to vote for guy A." Don't they know Romney needs another car elevator? And what about his staffers? Stupid voters never think about such things.

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The narcissism displayed by left wing voters during this last election is just stunning.

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country".



Fortunately for the country, the Republican governors have a far better grasp of reality than you do..
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Maybe there is hops for the republicans after all.



Really?

thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/15/1194481/maine-gop-dozens-black-voters/?mobile=nc

So now black people turning up to vote indicates fraud?



Oh genius - and he even did the "one of my best friends is black" thing.
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Maybe there is hops for the republicans after all.



Really?

thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/15/1194481/maine-gop-dozens-black-voters/?mobile=nc

So now black people turning up to vote indicates fraud?



Oh genius - and he even did the "one of my best friends is black" thing.



And he gets bonus points because it undermines his original argument.

"nobody in town knows anyone who’s black....

I know black people. I play basketball every Sunday with a black guy."

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>"nobody in town knows anyone who’s black.... I know black people. I play basketball
>every Sunday with a black guy."

I would have seen those black people, really. But I ran out of gas. I . . . I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts! It wasn't my fault, I swear to God!

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