kallend 1,635 #376 July 23, 2012 Quote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #377 July 23, 2012 Quote It won't be our own troops used against us. It will be U.N. troops. Oooh I so love conspiracy theories. Will they use nanothermite?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #378 July 23, 2012 Quote Quote It won't be our own troops used against us. It will be U.N. troops. Oooh I so love conspiracy theories. Will they use nanothermite? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #379 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons. What IS the gun show loophole?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #380 July 23, 2012 QuoteYou keep talking about getting rid of what you describe as Assault Weapons, (Lets for the sake of argument just talk about the AR-15 he allegedly used). He also had a shotgun and a Glock, without doubt out of the three aforementioned weapons the shotgun would have done the most damage at close range in a packed theatre, are you suggesting that shotguns are banned? No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #381 July 23, 2012 QuoteSick people will always find a way. Unprovable. But it makes for a nice little soundbite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #382 July 23, 2012 Quote Quote Quote It won't be our own troops used against us. It will be U.N. troops. Oooh I so love conspiracy theories. Will they use nanothermite? Laugh all you want. The UN or NATO will be our governments loophole to using military troops against us when the shit hits the fan. If the internet is still working I'll be sure to check in with you when it happens. Also, the federal government is doing a great job of outfitting our local police agencies with all the military hardware they care to have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #383 July 23, 2012 QuoteThe UN or NATO will be our governments loophole to using military troops against us when the shit hits the fan. If, by "the shit hits the fan", you mean when some misguided citizens take an armed stand against the government, then the government needs no loophole. The Constitution already empowers the government to stop an insurrection. They don't need to rely on the UN or NATO.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #384 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons. What IS the gun show loophole? Something that Iowa has been smart enough to close but 33 states haven't. www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jun/27/tdmet02-law-enforcement-officials-back-closing-the-ar-2015984/ abcnews.go.com/WN/gun-show-loophole-closed/story?id=10404727#.UA2CFbSe4bw... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #385 July 23, 2012 QuoteGood job all those CCW holders were around to prevent this. The theater banned CCW people from bringing in guns before this happened. Creating a disarmament zone where only those so inclined to not follow the law would have a weapon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #386 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteGood job all those CCW holders were around to prevent this. The theater banned CCW people from bringing in guns before this happened. Creating a disarmament zone where only those so inclined to not follow the law would have a weapon. So the theater's law worked and prevented a bad situation from becoming far worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #387 July 23, 2012 >So the theater's law worked . . . Well, in the same sense that airport security worked on September 11, 2001. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #388 July 23, 2012 QuoteSo the theater's law worked and prevented a bad situation from becoming far worse. Only you could think that 12 dead and 50 wounded as "worked". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #389 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou keep talking about getting rid of what you describe as Assault Weapons, (Lets for the sake of argument just talk about the AR-15 he allegedly used). He also had a shotgun and a Glock, without doubt out of the three aforementioned weapons the shotgun would have done the most damage at close range in a packed theatre, are you suggesting that shotguns are banned? No. Why? A shotgun at close range in a crowd will do massive damage to human targets. So why the decision on one type of firearm used in a massacre compared to another?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #390 July 23, 2012 Quote Quote So the theater's law worked and prevented a bad situation from becoming far worse. Only you could think that 12 dead and 50 wounded as "worked". Ad hominem. Perfect! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #391 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou keep talking about getting rid of what you describe as Assault Weapons, (Lets for the sake of argument just talk about the AR-15 he allegedly used). He also had a shotgun and a Glock, without doubt out of the three aforementioned weapons the shotgun would have done the most damage at close range in a packed theatre, are you suggesting that shotguns are banned? No. Why? A shotgun at close range in a crowd will do massive damage to human targets. So why the decision on one type of firearm used in a massacre compared to another? Where would YOU draw the line? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #392 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons. What IS the gun show loophole? Something that Iowa has been smart enough to close but 33 states haven't. www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jun/27/tdmet02-law-enforcement-officials-back-closing-the-ar-2015984/ abcnews.go.com/WN/gun-show-loophole-closed/story?id=10404727#.UA2CFbSe4bw I can see no reason for the Gun Show sponsor not to have a back ground check system in place for the venue. It can be policy that to make a purchase go to the back ground check booth and bring back the approval. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #393 July 23, 2012 QuoteAd hominem. Perfect! YOU are the one making the claim that the theaters "law" (BTW, they can't make laws) "worked". Pointing that out, is not an attack. No more than pointing out that a theater cannot make a "law" is an attack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #394 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons. What IS the gun show loophole? Something that Iowa has been smart enough to close but 33 states haven't. www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jun/27/tdmet02-law-enforcement-officials-back-closing-the-ar-2015984/ abcnews.go.com/WN/gun-show-loophole-closed/story?id=10404727#.UA2CFbSe4bw I can see no reason for the Gun Show sponsor not to have a back ground check system in place for the venue. It can be policy that to make a purchase go to the back ground check booth and bring back the approval. Mattthere are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole 1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue 2 those wanting to fix the loopholes also want something added to the law that holds the show sponsors liable for any crime commited that can shown to be sold at the gun show they sponsored. Kind of like bloominburg wanting to hold gun manufactures liable for crimes commited with thier guns. Again, the banners do now want to fix these because their ultimate goal is to end something THEY do not like, which is gunshows"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #395 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>In much the same way that pedophilic Catholic priests are against sin. No, more like the way many churches are against sin. Individual priests (and individual NRA members) may violate the law; that does not mean the organization supports them. The NRA has consistently opposed quite reasonable measures (such as closing the gun show loophole) while all the time giving lip service to keeping guns away from felons. What IS the gun show loophole? Something that Iowa has been smart enough to close but 33 states haven't. www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jun/27/tdmet02-law-enforcement-officials-back-closing-the-ar-2015984/ abcnews.go.com/WN/gun-show-loophole-closed/story?id=10404727#.UA2CFbSe4bw I can see no reason for the Gun Show sponsor not to have a back ground check system in place for the venue. It can be policy that to make a purchase go to the back ground check booth and bring back the approval. Mattthere are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole 1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue 2 those wanting to fix the loopholes also want something added to the law that holds the show sponsors liable for any crime commited that can shown to be sold at the gun show they sponsored. Kind of like bloominburg wanting to hold gun manufactures liable for crimes commited with thier guns. Again, the banners do now want to fix these because their ultimate goal is to end something THEY do not like, which is gunshows Aren't most guns purchased on weekends? Of adding a terminal at the show is an issue then have the potential buyers go to the local Gun Shop during the week and bring in the approval form. Shops make a few bucks, no real excess on the system (they may feel a few last minute bumps on Friday's sure), checks done on a portion of weapons sold to help eliminate illegal purchases, every one keeps their Rights intact. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #396 July 23, 2012 Quote there are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole 1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue {/reply] I thought it was all a computerized database? Do you mean it is not and there is not a staff person there for the gun show people to talk to? Or is the database so bad that they can't keep it running with a minimal IT support crew?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #397 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuote there are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole 1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue {/reply] I thought it was all a computerized database? Do you mean it is not and there is not a staff person there for the gun show people to talk to? Or is the database so bad that they can't keep it running with a minimal IT support crew? It is But I did not go far enough with the info The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system The other issue it is crashes frequently Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #398 July 23, 2012 Gun shows aren't licensed sellers? Seems and easy fix, the local shops sponsor the gun show. Show up with the approval form to make a purchase, or no sale. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #399 July 23, 2012 It is But I did not go far enough with the info The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system The other issue it is crashes frequently Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this OK, so presumably somebody running a gun show would be (or could be required to be) a licensed seller. I don't see any problem with having the background checks centralized? Not too surprising the thing crashes frequently. What are the actual down time statistics on it? What do gun shops do then?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #400 July 23, 2012 I like the system here in Iowa You can go the sheriffs office and for $5 and three days get a permit to purchase . The Sherrif issues you the pemit after he does the background check It is good for a year. You can go buy a gun in Iowa, show the permit to purchase and no NICS check is needed Most private sellers ask for a valid permit to purchuse or carry license (which can be used as a permit to purchase) before selling to someone they dont know here in Iowa But know this NONE of this would have made any difference in the CO shooting Everything he did was legal (as so far reported) So going after the gun would do little if anything to stop this The problem here is the person The other sad thing here is gun banners (mostly liberals) think political solutions can be constructed for social problems. It will not work"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Next Page 16 of 28 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rushmc 18 #397 July 23, 2012 QuoteQuote there are two major hold ups to fixing what is called the loophole 1 the NICS system runs on a small staff on weekends. Weekends are when most gun shows are held. Those wanting to fix the loopholes do not want to fix the NICS issue {/reply] I thought it was all a computerized database? Do you mean it is not and there is not a staff person there for the gun show people to talk to? Or is the database so bad that they can't keep it running with a minimal IT support crew? It is But I did not go far enough with the info The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system The other issue it is crashes frequently Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #398 July 23, 2012 Gun shows aren't licensed sellers? Seems and easy fix, the local shops sponsor the gun show. Show up with the approval form to make a purchase, or no sale. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #399 July 23, 2012 It is But I did not go far enough with the info The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system The other issue it is crashes frequently Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this OK, so presumably somebody running a gun show would be (or could be required to be) a licensed seller. I don't see any problem with having the background checks centralized? Not too surprising the thing crashes frequently. What are the actual down time statistics on it? What do gun shops do then?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #398 July 23, 2012 Gun shows aren't licensed sellers? Seems and easy fix, the local shops sponsor the gun show. Show up with the approval form to make a purchase, or no sale. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #399 July 23, 2012 It is But I did not go far enough with the info The NICS data base is only available to licenced sellers. Those wishing to sell privatley have no access to the system The other issue it is crashes frequently Not sure what level of IT support is needed to get past this OK, so presumably somebody running a gun show would be (or could be required to be) a licensed seller. I don't see any problem with having the background checks centralized? Not too surprising the thing crashes frequently. What are the actual down time statistics on it? What do gun shops do then?"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #400 July 23, 2012 I like the system here in Iowa You can go the sheriffs office and for $5 and three days get a permit to purchase . The Sherrif issues you the pemit after he does the background check It is good for a year. You can go buy a gun in Iowa, show the permit to purchase and no NICS check is needed Most private sellers ask for a valid permit to purchuse or carry license (which can be used as a permit to purchase) before selling to someone they dont know here in Iowa But know this NONE of this would have made any difference in the CO shooting Everything he did was legal (as so far reported) So going after the gun would do little if anything to stop this The problem here is the person The other sad thing here is gun banners (mostly liberals) think political solutions can be constructed for social problems. It will not work"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
