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Skyrad 0
Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
rehmwa 2
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Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. They are one and the same. just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
I'd like to append something in blue.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Skyrad 0
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
rehmwa 2
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuote2nd EDIT: And, the final question I have for the atheistic scientists is this," How is it possible that mankind has developed the ability to view into space and find "M-Class" planets millions of light years away, whose existence has been as long as that of planet Earth and in some cases longer... yet, there is no evidence of life, of any form. Hawklings quote re-addressed: "The universe can and will create itself from nothing," How is that possible that has not happened on other planets if the evolutionary model is correct?
I'm surprised you'd ask that in earnest. It reminds me of the patent official about 100 years ago who supposedly said, "Everything than can be invented, has been."
Extrapolate.
I would argue that I'm saying the exact opposite, "If the Hawking's position/quote is true, "The universe can and will create itself from nothing," Then, how come the evolutionary model hasn't already been invented or re-invented within any class of planet that we can see for millions of light years?
And my point is: Why do you presume it hasn't been, just because species Terran homo sapiens sapiens hasn't discovered it yet at this point in time? The technology of our species is in its relative infancy.
BIGUN 1,106
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Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
That's the conclusion I've come to and it saddens me. Basically, we as mankind have divided into three groups (which I believe to be language-based differences) that are fighting and killing each other in the name of the same God. And, finally, can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteThe burden of proof of any form of supernatural rests always with the believers; it never rests with those who simply have an absence of such belief.
that's silly - you have implicit here that the faithful have an obligation to prove anything.
I'm not saying the faithful have a moral obligation to prove anything, at least not to me. But I've long since grown weary of those who say to me, "Prove that God/Santa/Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist", because, from a strictly intellectual standpoint, that turns the burden of proof on its head.
beowulf 1
That's all?!
Really!?
Skyrad 0
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Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
That's the conclusion I've come to and it saddens me. Basically, we as mankind have divided into three groups (which I believe to be language-based differences) that are fighting and killing each other in the name of the same God. And, finally, can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
I agree, we are like three small children fighting over which one our father loves the most.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Skyrad 0
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can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
With God all things are possible.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
winsor 189
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Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
That's the conclusion I've come to and it saddens me. Basically, we as mankind have divided into three groups (which I believe to be language-based differences) that are fighting and killing each other in the name of the same God. And, finally, can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
I agree, we are like three small children fighting over which one our father loves the most.
"Having a war about religion is like having a fight over who's got the best imaginary friend." Yasir Arafat
winsor 189
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can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
With God all things are possible.
But not bloody likely.
Andy9o8 0
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can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
With God all things are possible.
But not bloody likely.
But likely bloody.
Remster 24
QuoteThree groups??!
That's all?!
Really!?
No kidding...
BIGUN 1,106
QuoteQuoteQuote2nd EDIT: And, the final question I have for the atheistic scientists is this," How is it possible that mankind has developed the ability to view into space and find "M-Class" planets millions of light years away, whose existence has been as long as that of planet Earth and in some cases longer... yet, there is no evidence of life, of any form. Hawklings quote re-addressed: "The universe can and will create itself from nothing," How is that possible that has not happened on other planets if the evolutionary model is correct?
I'm surprised you'd ask that in earnest. It reminds me of the patent official about 100 years ago who supposedly said, "Everything than can be invented, has been."
Extrapolate.
I would argue that I'm saying the exact opposite, "If the Hawking's position/quote is true, "The universe can and will create itself from nothing," Then, how come the evolutionary model hasn't already been invented or re-invented within any class of planet that we can see for millions of light years?
And my point is: Why do you presume it hasn't been, just because species Terran homo sapiens sapiens hasn't discovered it yet at this point in time? The technology of our species is in its relative infancy.
You assume I meant homo sapiens... any form of life, at any stage along the evolutionary cycle. And before you throw the "most popular" forms of life discovered on other planets at me... most of them have been explained away - by scientists... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9943-top-10-controversial-pieces-of-evidence-for-extraterrestrial-life.html
rehmwa 2
QuoteI'm not saying the faithful have a moral obligation to prove anything, at least not to me. But I've long since grown weary of those who say to me, "Prove that God/Santa/Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist", because, from a strictly intellectual standpoint, that turns the burden of proof on its head.
I understand. Frankly, them saying "prove it" is just as silly - for all the same reasons
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Coreece 190
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Allah, Jehovah, and the Christian God are, of course, one and the same.
They're similar, not the same. Whether you like it or not, the three gods differ from each other. Not that much, just enough to produce centuries of hatred between the three groups of followers.
You are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
That's the conclusion I've come to and it saddens me. Basically, we as mankind have divided into three groups (which I believe to be language-based differences) that are fighting and killing each other in the name of the same God. And, finally, can we enlighten/educate to make it stop?
I agree, we are like three small children fighting over which one our father loves the most.
Personally I think all these wars are born out of political discontent where religion is just a superficial caualty...
btw, How can all three have the same God when Islam and Judaism don't believe Christ was God incarnate?
Neither believe in a triune God....
Marinus 0
QuoteYou are incorrect. 'They' are one and the same.
Yes, they're very compatible. You might reconcile Jaweh and Allah, but Jaweh and God is going to be hard, because Christians and Jews have a different, and rather essential, messiah. Jesus who's also God vs. one that has yet to be born.
It gets really interesting when you try to make Allah = God work. Because the absolute biggest sin in Islam, Shirk, is claiming there's entities equal to God (like, say, Jesus and the Holy Spirit). The absolute biggest sin in Christianity is of course to deny the H. Spirit but you won't be saved without Jesus anyway. Anyway, God = Allah is probably the fastest way to go to the deepest hell, for a meet and greet with, and a spit-roast by Satan & Shaytan
But of course this is theology, and I'm sure there a way to get around this. If you can make the trinity work, it should be no problem to make Allah=God=Jaweh work.
that's silly - you have implicit here that the faithful have an obligation to prove anything. Only the weakly faithful see a need for that and they are poor representatives if they feel that way (see Joe's post for a healthy example rather than the unhealthy ones you respond to).
faith is defined as there cannot exist any proof. So they are on equal ground as atheism in the neither side has zero need or obligation to prove anything.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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