mnealtx 0 #51 June 30, 2011 Ok, so you're a Paulite and you've finally realized that politicians don't act in what you consider to be the best interest of the country - congratulations. Anything else?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #52 June 30, 2011 QuoteFunny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other. Yup! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #53 June 30, 2011 You know...I haven't read this crap. This is usually the time I go to the bonfire and rock out with some tunes, but since I got banned I have no choice but to post the best rock out John Lennon song here...in the SC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjWebKavfuI *edit* No...actually...this was his best tune...that bastard: Mind Games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBpsYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #54 June 30, 2011 Quote Quote Funny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other. Yup! Chuck I would like people to remember that someone who might have been a republican in the 1979 to 1980 time frame would no longer recognize the GOP of today. People like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan even would no longer pass the purity tests needed to be accepted as a candidate by those who pull the strings. All you need for proof is those who call Republicans like Senator Snowe a RINO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #55 June 30, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Funny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other. Yup! Chuck I would like people to remember that someone who might have been a republican in the 1979 to 1980 time frame would no longer recognize the GOP of today. People like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan even would no longer pass the purity tests needed to be accepted as a candidate by those who pull the strings. All you need for proof is those who call Republicans like Senator Snowe a RINO. Who cares...Lennon was one deceptive asshole anyway...I'm jelous.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #56 June 30, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Funny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other. Yup! Chuck I would like people to remember that someone who might have been a republican in the 1979 to 1980 time frame would no longer recognize the GOP of today. People like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan even would no longer pass the purity tests needed to be accepted as a candidate by those who pull the strings. All you need for proof is those who call Republicans like Senator Snowe a RINO. Who cares...Lennon was one deceptive asshole anyway...I'm jelous. You want a deceptive asshole????????This is just a followup revelation to your other thread isn't it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #57 June 30, 2011 you know I want you sugar momma... It's about time you acknowledge my request and save me from the queers!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #58 June 30, 2011 See...everytime I bring it up, you just cower away. I can take a hint. Guess you just gonna stand there and watch me burn... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_UYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #59 June 30, 2011 Ok, ok...karaoke time...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1O7_8fgs_8&feature=related *edit* Ok, ok...now John's way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqP3wT5lpa4&feature=related Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #60 June 30, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Funny how some people have problems with image vs reality. Funny how some people think that one must follow the other. Yup! Chuck I would like people to remember that someone who might have been a republican in the 1979 to 1980 time frame would no longer recognize the GOP of today. People like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan even would no longer pass the purity tests needed to be accepted as a candidate by those who pull the strings. All you need for proof is those who call Republicans like Senator Snowe a RINO. To me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #61 June 30, 2011 QuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #62 June 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? He who has the GOLD gets to make the RULES... they are the ones who are deciding our elections. The bought and paid for rePUBIClown far right Supreme Court just made sure of those RULES for Corporations and rich individuals for generations of them to come. But it seems the fringe right Tea Baggers are too fucking stupid to realize where the money is coming from for all those patriotic sounding "foundations". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 189 #63 June 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? Legislators should be selected by lottery amongst the electorate. Anyone who has passed the bar should be barred from office outside the Judicial Branch (whoever practices the law shall not write one - conflict of interest). Legislators should be obligated to serve one and only one term, and to return to ordinary citizen status thereafter. No special medical or retirement benefits. I do not claim that this is a "solution," but that it could hardly be worse than what we now have. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #64 June 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? I have nothing against the way we choose our elected officials it's the calibre of those running for and in office I have a problem with. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #65 June 30, 2011 who the hell is John Lennon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,368 #66 July 1, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? Legislators should be selected by lottery amongst the electorate. Anyone who has passed the bar should be barred from office outside the Judicial Branch (whoever practices the law shall not write one - conflict of interest). Legislators should be obligated to serve one and only one term, and to return to ordinary citizen status thereafter. No special medical or retirement benefits. I do not claim that this is a "solution," but that it could hardly be worse than what we now have. BSBD, Winsor Arthur C. Clarke came to the same conclusion. In at least one of his books, the argument was made that anyone who is willing to put up with the crap needed to get elected should automatically be disqualified. And as long as you weed out the criminals and the stupids, a lottery was the most efficient way."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #67 July 1, 2011 Heinlein visited the same subject as well - anyone *wanting* the job should be disqualified by default.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #68 July 1, 2011 Quote Quote To me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. This is (and always has been) a very popular saying in society. Yet I almost never hear any citizen of a democratic republic argue that we should give up the practice of choosing governmental officials by means of citizens exercising their right to participate and vote in a popular election. Which begs the question: if the task of lawmaking and policy governance should not be performed by officials chosen by popular elections in a political process, then WHO, INSTEAD, SHOULD GOVERN - AND HOW SHOULD THOSE GOVERNING ATTAIN THEIR OFFICE? Strange woman standing in a pond distributin' swords in a farcical aquatic ceremony. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #69 July 5, 2011 Quote>You left out moron. "Get a brain morans!" Well, they sorta did. They got a morans brain.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #70 July 5, 2011 QuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. AND, as Andy908 said it's been that way since, like, forever. American History... Columbus the great discoverer? Thomas Jefferson the great patriot? BS See Amazon's post. It's now, and forever has been, about the money and who has it and what it takes to keep it.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #71 July 5, 2011 QuoteQuote>You left out moron. "Get a brain morans!" Well, they sorta did. They got a morans brain. Wasn't that Abbie Normal's brain they got?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #72 July 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. AND, as Andy908 said it's been that way since, like, forever. American History... Columbus the great discoverer? Thomas Jefferson the great patriot? BS See Amazon's post. It's now, and forever has been, about the money and who has it and what it takes to keep it. That's right! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 July 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. AND, as Andy908 said it's been that way since, like, forever. American History... Columbus the great discoverer? Thomas Jefferson the great patriot? BS See Amazon's post. It's now, and forever has been, about the money and who has it and what it takes to keep it. Speaking of Jefferson.... "if we can but prevent the government from wasting the labours of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.' - Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 29 November 1802Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #74 July 6, 2011 QuoteTo me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. (that was from masterrig) Take a look at Lincoln.. "Let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man, this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position. Let us discard all these things and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are created equal." -Abe Lincoln, July 1858 campaign speech for Illinois senate, Followed up later with... "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have I ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality or the white and black races; that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, not of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people... ...and inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." -Abe Lincoln, September 1858 campaign speech for Illinois senate, (cite: Howard Zinn, A Peoples History of the United States New York, Harper Collins, 2005) politicians...gotta love 'em.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #75 July 6, 2011 Quote Quote To me, a politician is a politician and no matter which label they slap on themselves... they're all alike. (that was from masterrig) Take a look at Lincoln.. "Let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man, this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position. Let us discard all these things and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are created equal." -Abe Lincoln, July 1858 campaign speech for Illinois senate, Followed up later with... "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have I ever been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality or the white and black races; that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, not of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people... ...and inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." -Abe Lincoln, September 1858 campaign speech for Illinois senate, (cite: Howard Zinn, A Peoples History of the United States New York, Harper Collins, 2005) politicians...gotta love 'em. Oh, yeah! They'll say anything, do anything or whatever it takes to get the job they seek. I'm sure, Lincoln was just agreeing with popular sentiment, at the time. Politicians are still doing that today. I really have to laugh when get intense in their 'politickin' and start saying things that offend women or certain groups and start showing who they really are. One of my all-time favorites, here in Texas, was Clayton Williams when he was running for governor. With one statement, he totally destroyed his chances. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
