jgoose71 0 #1 January 8, 2011 As far as I can tell, he was either fired for not being politically correct, or he is the first victim of the DADT policy being repealed. Everyone that I know that served under him said he was one of the few good Officers that actually cared about those he commanded. The Story with a few videos: WARNING!! Videos are unedited!!! http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/01/navy-enterprise-videos-skipper-fired-010411w/ God forbid anyone in the military having a sense of humor. We are all supposed to be mindless killing machines, like the Terminator!!!!"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #2 January 8, 2011 Well, at least Skyrider will be happy. Whatever else those videos were, they definitely showed someone being "openly gay." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #3 January 8, 2011 QuoteAs far as I can tell, he was either fired for not being politically correct, or he is the first victim of the DADT policy being repealed The first time I saw these videos on the news, I had to check to make sure I wasn't watching the Onion News Network. I'm torn... some of the stuff is hilarious and I understand how it could really lighten the atmosphere in some cases...particularly for some of the more experienced members of the crew. Some of it makes me cringe at the unprofessional demeanor of a man who is literally charged with the leadership and professional development of (some very) young sailors under his command. I don't see how you could make any connection between this and the repeal of DADT, though. Can you explain how he could be a "victim" of that?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #4 January 8, 2011 Mr. Spock would never have done such a thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #5 January 8, 2011 QuoteMr. Spock would never have done such a thing. Perhaps, but what about Will Riker? (Early "Lets go to the sex planet" Will Riker, not fat old Will Riker.)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #6 January 8, 2011 I suspect he cheated at cards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #7 January 8, 2011 QuoteI suspect he cheated at cards. Pfft, if anybody was cheating it was Diana. She could read minds, FFS, why did they even let her play?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #8 January 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteI suspect he cheated at cards. Pfft, if anybody was cheating it was Diana. She could read minds, FFS, why did they even let her play? They let her play so they could stare at her 'big stack'!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #9 January 9, 2011 The six minute slip COULDN't be the reason he as fired. IT's nothing but PC run wild. They made an example out of someone who appears to be a good man.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #10 January 9, 2011 Just watched the linked video. If they fired him for that, they shot themselves in the face. Looks like he was doing his job. He probably pushed it a little in today's PC world, but he was exerting extra effort. That's becoming too rare. The unintended consequence of this will be stale, automatons that follow PC rules at the expense of personal leadership and style. I've watched too many complete horse's rearends get ahead. I guess there will be more now.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #11 January 9, 2011 Stand by for the Court Martial proceedings, they are going to hang him out to dry.Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #12 January 9, 2011 Quote I don't see how you could make any connection between this and the repeal of DADT, though. Can you explain how he could be a "victim" of that? The Video's were shot back in 2006 if I'm quoting correctly. Why didn't he get charged back then? Why are they bringing it up now conveniently after DADT was repealed? The timing of it all is suspect. Somebody might be wanting to make a statement. Just wish they could have picked a shit-bag officer to do it to. And for the record, water conservation IS a big deal on board ship."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #13 January 9, 2011 Quote Quote I don't see how you could make any connection between this and the repeal of DADT, though. Can you explain how he could be a "victim" of that? The Video's were shot back in 2006 if I'm quoting correctly. Why didn't he get charged back then? Why are they bringing it up now conveniently after DADT was repealed? The timing of it all is suspect. Somebody might be wanting to make a statement. Just wish they could have picked a shit-bag officer to do it to. And for the record, water conservation IS a big deal on board ship. I also think the timing is suspect, but I think it's coincidence that it comes with the DADT decision. I think somebody with a personal grudge kept this arrow in their quiver until the timing was "right". Reasonable question re: why he wasn't disciplined earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if he was privately admonished, with the caution, "you better hope this doesn't turn up some day." I find it hard to believe that none of his superior officers knew about this (uh, like the captain of the boat at the time?) when he was promoted to command of the ship, or that none of the decision-makers re: that promotion did. If his head rolls, then those superior officers who knew about this and did nothing about it (at the time) should roll, too. So why was he cashiered? Because at the end of the day, you can't get away with being responsible for your branch of service being very publicly embarrassed like that. (That's not an endorsement, just an analysis.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #14 January 10, 2011 as far a superior officers, there may well have been only one that knew about this and that was the captain of the ship, and he certainly would know about this and just may not have cared. i haven't looked into it, but i'm guessing that he's retired since we haven't heard anything about him. this type of video and this type of humor is simply just not a big deal aboard a ship at sea and it's very likely that it was the furthest thing from the captain's mind whenever he was communicating with his boss. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #15 January 10, 2011 I suspect they are going to allow him to resign in lieu of prosecution. It's an option allowed under UCMJ. It lets him keep his retirement and go about his business while the service can say he was disciplined. Relief from command is a career terminating event in the first place. He's done and everyone knows it. I think everyone lost something on the altar of PC this time.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
