rehmwa 2 #201 January 10, 2011 QuoteNo, I charged him what I thought he would be willing to pay. Same way he charged me. you bet - from each according to his means - no problem ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #202 January 10, 2011 QuoteNo, I charged him what I thought he would be willing to pay. Same way he charged me. Ok... I'm starting to realize you just have no idea.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #203 January 10, 2011 >So it is ok for a doctor to take advantage of my situation and charge me as >much as he thinks he can get . . . No. If he was charging people based on how close to death they were, or how much their car mechanic charged him for his last oil change, then he would be a dick. If he charged you what he charges anyone for the same procedure, then he's not being a dick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #204 January 10, 2011 Quote>So it is ok for a doctor to take advantage of my situation and charge me as >much as he thinks he can get . . . No. If he was charging people based on how close to death they were, or how much their car mechanic charged him for his last oil change, then he would be a dick. If he charged you what he charges anyone for the same procedure, then he's not being a dick. Except for the fact he is taking advantage of people's misfortune.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #205 January 10, 2011 QuoteQuote>So it is ok for a doctor to take advantage of my situation and charge me as >much as he thinks he can get . . . No. If he was charging people based on how close to death they were, or how much their car mechanic charged him for his last oil change, then he would be a dick. If he charged you what he charges anyone for the same procedure, then he's not being a dick. Except for the fact he is taking advantage of people's misfortune. You weren't?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #206 January 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo, I charged him what I thought he would be willing to pay. Same way he charged me. you bet - from each according to his means - no problem Absolutely. That is why we never charged a child for fixing their bike, a handicapped person for fixing their wheelchair, or the local fire department for whatever repairs they needed and couldn't do themselves.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #207 January 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>So it is ok for a doctor to take advantage of my situation and charge me as >much as he thinks he can get . . . No. If he was charging people based on how close to death they were, or how much their car mechanic charged him for his last oil change, then he would be a dick. If he charged you what he charges anyone for the same procedure, then he's not being a dick. Except for the fact he is taking advantage of people's misfortune. You weren't? After what he charged me, you bet your ass I did! And I'd do it again without hesitation.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #208 January 11, 2011 LMAO! If all the welders were to quit today, we'd have new welders tomorrow. Any kid off the street can learn it.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #209 January 11, 2011 >After what he charged me, you bet your ass I did! So he'll be justified charging you twice as much next time because he's angry, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #210 January 11, 2011 QuoteLMAO! If all the welders were to quit today, we'd have new welders tomorrow. Any kid off the street can learn it. Depends on the type of welding. Any kid off the street can weld up a dumpster. Not so much with a nuke plant or underwater oil well. But those guys get paid pretty well."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #211 January 11, 2011 Quote LMAO! If all the welders were to quit today, we'd have new welders tomorrow. Any kid off the street can learn it. You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. I guess you have just been working too much and missed that part.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #212 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, I charged him what I thought he would be willing to pay. Same way he charged me. you bet - from each according to his means - no problem Absolutely. That is why we never charged a child for fixing their bike, a handicapped person for fixing their wheelchair, or the local fire department for whatever repairs they needed and couldn't do themselves. Now if we could just get the government to force everybody to do it that way - what an amazing utopia we'd have!!! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #213 January 11, 2011 Quote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #214 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #215 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. I'd say you are probably right about that. But then the Mal P insurance would have to go down and then the torts would decrease and then WHERE would we be?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #216 January 11, 2011 Careful now you don't want to be seen agreeing with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #217 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. No, the point was if they were NOT replaced. Read the post again.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #218 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. What? And take away some of the illusion that they are some kind of god? It will never happen.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #219 January 11, 2011 Quote No, the point was if they were NOT replaced. Read the post again. That's your useless hypothetical, yes. Did air travel stop when Reagan fired all of the air traffic controllers? No. They were replaced. There were lots of people looking for work at the time, happy to do it. It's a shock to the system, and some knowledge would have to be relearned over time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #220 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. What? And take away some of the illusion that they are some kind of god? It will never happen. LOL, talk about words you will eat some day, I hope you remember them, while laying their praying that some doctor/surgeon can save your life! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #221 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. What? And take away some of the illusion that they are some kind of god? It will never happen. LOL, talk about words you will eat some day, I hope you remember them, while laying their praying that some doctor/surgeon can save your life! With most of them working long hours with little or no sleep in a high stress environment I would be more inclined to pray they don't take my life.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #222 January 11, 2011 QuoteQuote No, the point was if they were NOT replaced. Read the post again. That's your useless hypothetical, yes. Did air travel stop when Reagan fired all of the air traffic controllers? No. They were replaced. There were lots of people looking for work at the time, happy to do it. It's a shock to the system, and some knowledge would have to be relearned over time. I is actually a very good hypothetical. It is a good way of comparing overall value of a trade. Docotors are near the top but several rank far above them. Most valuable are agriculturalists. Most people these days would starve without somebody else supplying them with food. Skilled infrastucture trades would be right behind. These are your carpenters, masons, weldors, etc. Right up there with them are educators. Then come doctors but they would not be so dearly missed as the rest since their impact is relatively small. Yes, they cure illnesses and save lives but mankind is like any other animal and can get along as a species and civilization without them. Remember, most of the New World was settled by people who never saw a doctor in their life.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #223 January 11, 2011 so all we really need are farmers, prostitutes, tinkers and hunters everyone else is a specialist that we can do without ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #224 January 11, 2011 Quote I is actually a very good hypothetical. most useful hypotheticals have a snow ball's chance in hell of occurring. If the Arc welding Jesus swooped down and took all his children off to heaven, people would start reading the text books on the subject and quickly relearn. The first 80% would come rapidly, then the remaining knowledge would be relearned over time. Unlike surgery, most welds can be inspected, tested, and redone. Quote Most valuable are agriculturalists. Most people these days would starve without somebody else supplying them with food. hunger in America has been a political problem, not a science problem, for a considerably long period of time. If it got really bad, we'd just start eating the illegal aliens. QuoteRemember, most of the New World was settled by people who never saw a doctor in their life. And their life expectancy reflected this truth. You still had people living into their 70s and 80s in the 18th Century, but those were people with access to medical care. The norm was decades shorter. A bad carpenter can still build useful objects. I'm proof of this. But a hack of a doctor - what can he do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #225 January 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote You didn't read the entire post. I said if they quit and were not replaced. But they would be replaced. That's the point. Doctors aren't irreplaceable either. There could be many more than there are currently. But still more difficult to replace, and longer to do so. Its my opinion that MANY of the things that doctors claim to be the only ones capable of doing are actually being done by the physicians assistants and nurses. Many of those people can and would do more if the AMA was not standing in the way of training them to do more of the day to day work that is of a routine nature. What? And take away some of the illusion that they are some kind of god? It will never happen. LOL, talk about words you will eat some day, I hope you remember them, while laying their praying that some doctor/surgeon can save your life! With most of them working long hours with little or no sleep in a high stress environment I would be more inclined to pray they don't take my life. But???But????? But????? You said yoru welding job is worth just as much as their job, You earn what they earn, NOW, you admit they work harder, longer, more stressful??? Which is it?? Just Ego talking? trying to make melting metal sounds as important as rebuilding bones, hearts, muscles? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
