akarunway 1 #1 March 29, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids>"The team leader was cooperating with the FBI on Sunday, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn't affiliated with Hutaree, which states on its Web site to be "prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't." "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ," the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment."I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #2 March 29, 2010 I believe fanatics are, by definition, nuts regardless of religious persuasion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary73 8 #3 March 29, 2010 All fanatics should be killed. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #4 March 29, 2010 Quote http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids>"The team leader was cooperating with the FBI on Sunday, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn't affiliated with Hutaree, which states on its Web site to be "prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't." "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ," the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment." So what was their crime? I could not find a statement of charges.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #5 March 29, 2010 Quote Quote http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids>"The team leader was cooperating with the FBI on Sunday, Lackomar said. He said SMVM wasn't affiliated with Hutaree, which states on its Web site to be "prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't." "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ," the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment." So what was their crime? I could not find a statement of charges. It is being reported that 3 will have "gun" chargers brought against them today So far, this aint passin the snif test http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #6 March 29, 2010 QuoteSo what was their crime? I could not find a statement of charges. Apparently the sealed warrants are set to be un-sealed today. But I note that these raids were by the ATF, and some of the venues were trailer parks. Based on that, I'll bet they were probably after illegal hand-rolled ciggies and moonshine; or maybe they were concerned about tornadoes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 March 29, 2010 Quote So what was their crime? I could not find a statement of charges. Isn't it a crime just to be a complete knob, in the States? ........ um .... should be (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hjeada 0 #8 March 29, 2010 Quote I believe fanatics are, by definition, nuts regardless of religious persuasion. +1 - beat me to posting this...Dudeist Skydiver #0511 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,476 #9 March 29, 2010 >"We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ," >the group's Web site said. "Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend >ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment." A quarter of conservatives apparently think he's arrived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #10 March 29, 2010 Yeah, How about all the groups that stay covert. The ones they catch simply slipped up. Bet there are a bunch of 'em out there that wont.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #11 March 29, 2010 Tamil Tigers International Sikh Youth Federation IRA The deists are all crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #12 March 29, 2010 Here is an updated story: QuoteNine suspects tied to a Midwest Christian militia that was preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral using homemade bombs in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday. . . http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids_23 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #13 March 29, 2010 QuoteHere is an updated story: QuoteNine suspects tied to a Midwest Christian militia that was preparing for the Antichrist were charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral using homemade bombs in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday. . . http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids_23 Wow, these guys are true nuts. Dangerous ones at that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #14 March 29, 2010 Just an FYI - conspiracy is more than just "talking about it". There must be at least one specific act in furtherance of the conspiracy committed by at least one member of the conspiracy. In this case, those specific acts are described in the indictment: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/michigan.arrests/?hpt=T1 QuoteAccording to the plan, the indictment said, the Hutaree wanted to use improvised explosive devices to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession. The indictment said those explosive devices, commonly called IEDs, constitute weapons of mass destruction. Subsequently, the indictment said, Hutaree leader David Brian Stone obtained information about IEDs over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams to a person he believed could manufacture them. He then had his one of his sons, Joshua Matthew Stone, and others gather materials necessary to manufacture IEDs, the indictment alleges. According to the indictment, David Brian Stone and David Brian Stone Jr. taught other Hutaree members in June how to make and use explosive devices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 200 #15 March 29, 2010 Quote The indictment said those explosive devices, commonly called IEDs, constitute weapons of mass destruction. Wait a minute...that means there were WMD's in Iraq! Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #16 March 29, 2010 Quote I believe fanatics are, by definition, nuts regardless of religious persuasion. Yep!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 March 29, 2010 Quote I believe fanatics are, by definition, nuts regardless of religious persuasion. yup but I'd rephrase - fanatics are, by definition, nuts regardless of whatever they are fanatical about ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites