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hwt 0
I advise this driver not to pursue skydiving .
billvon 2,467
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> Sure, the powertrain will be ruined (but maybe not) but it's better than the alternative.
Neutral just freewheels everything - the wheels, the ICE (gas engine) and the electric motors. No damage; they've tried it.
Neutral just freewheels everything - the wheels, the ICE (gas engine) and the electric motors. No damage; they've tried it.
I wasn't sure whether the motor/engine would regulate itself enough to prevent over-revving.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
airdvr 200
"Oh what a feeling!"
Please don't dent the planet.
Destinations by Roxanne
Destinations by Roxanne
kallend 1,673
QuoteQuote"I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did something kind of funny," Sikes told reporters. "It jumped and it just stuck there. As it was going, I was trying the brakes ... It wasn't stopping."
Sikes called the local 911 emergency service, and the highway patrol dispatched an officer who pulled alongside the Prius. The trooper used a loudspeaker to tell Sikes to use the emergency and regular brakes and to turn off the car's engine.
Once the Prius slowed to around 50 mph, Sikes turned off the engine of the car and it rolled to a stop with the trooper's car in front of it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35781956/ns/business-autos/
Something sounds fishy. The driver had the presence of mind to call 911 and follow the troopers instructions, but it didn't occur to him to shut off the engine or try to take the car out of gear?
Give me a break.
I believe it. Drivers don't have to practice their EPs, unlike skydivers.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
sundevil777 94
I heard the driver saying he was afraid of what would happen if he put it in neutral or turned it off, afraid of losing power steering or locking the wheels up (if the engine seized up I suppose). Obviously lame misplaced fear, but I suppose understandable among the non-mechanically inclined.
Regarding the old Audi accel issue, it may have been that people were pushing down on both the brake and gas with just one foot. I've done it on occasion, especially with big boots on (realizing what was happening in time to fix it). That risk of pushing on both simultaneously is why there should be a considerable lateral distance between the pedals. When you have the engine running with an open throttle, there is not much engine vacuum, so not much brake assist. Very different than stopping a car with a closed throttle/high vacuum.
Regarding the old Audi accel issue, it may have been that people were pushing down on both the brake and gas with just one foot. I've done it on occasion, especially with big boots on (realizing what was happening in time to fix it). That risk of pushing on both simultaneously is why there should be a considerable lateral distance between the pedals. When you have the engine running with an open throttle, there is not much engine vacuum, so not much brake assist. Very different than stopping a car with a closed throttle/high vacuum.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
rhaig 0
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Something sounds fishy. The driver had the presence of mind to call 911 and follow the troopers instructions, but it didn't occur to him to shut off the engine or try to take the car out of gear?
Give me a break.
someone I know very well read about the toyota accelerator problem, and looked at me and said "you mean accelerators can stick? what do you do if that happens??" I was floored.
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Rob
Rob
rhaig 0
Quote>Maybe the Prius owners can chime in how the electronics and drive by wire
> make it difficult to shift into neutral or turn off the engine.
To shift into neutral you move the shifter lever to N. If you try to shift to R (by moving the shifter lever to R) it also goes into neutral if you're moving forward quickly. You can also press the P button (park) - that also puts it in neutral if you're moving.
To turn it off completely you hold down the power button for five seconds. The braking and steering then revert to 100% manual mode and you lose power assist and ABS, so it's not the best idea.
much better to plow into whatever is in front of you at high speed.
No, turning off the vehicle is the best idea in that case.
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Rob
Rob
pirana 0
Quote. . . he was on a fairly straight & level highway doing 90+ mph. I doubt losing power assist would have been much of a problem.
Sounds far fetched. Doing 90+, called on the phone, a trooper caught up (or slowed down?) to them, they had communication, etc.
Possible, but highly unlikely. I'm betting on fraud.
About as likely as the commercial with the skydiver who phones in for a matress delivery
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
QuoteThe capacity for people to be stupid should not be underestimated.
Either that, or it was a conspiracy against Toyota, maybe they'll sue for emotional distress.
I heard Toyota was framed by those conservative kids that framed ACORN.
*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----
QuoteI heard the driver saying he was afraid of what would happen if he put it in neutral or turned it off, afraid of losing power steering or locking the wheels up (if the engine seized up I suppose). Obviously lame misplaced fear, but I suppose understandable among the non-mechanically inclined.
Regarding the old Audi accel issue, it may have been that people were pushing down on both the brake and gas with just one foot. I've done it on occasion, especially with big boots on (realizing what was happening in time to fix it). That risk of pushing on both simultaneously is why there should be a considerable lateral distance between the pedals. When you have the engine running with an open throttle, there is not much engine vacuum, so not much brake assist. Very different than stopping a car with a closed throttle/high vacuum.
I used to have my right foot on the brake and throttle at the same time, operating both, with my left foot dipping the clutch.
Of course I was on a race track at the time, downshifting while trailbraking into the corners.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Gene03 0
Quote[reply}Something sounds fishy.
I thought it sounded fishy too.
As Col Flagg said; "The fish stinks from the head to the tail."
“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.
Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)
Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966)
QuoteQuoteThe capacity for people to be stupid should not be underestimated.
Either that, or it was a conspiracy against Toyota, maybe they'll sue for emotional distress.
I heard Toyota was framed by those conservative kids that framed ACORN.
Most of the conjecture on those lines is that Obama is destroying Toyota for the benefit of GM.
rushmc 18
QuoteQuoteThe capacity for people to be stupid should not be underestimated.
Either that, or it was a conspiracy against Toyota, maybe they'll sue for emotional distress.
I heard Toyota was framed by those conservative kids that framed ACORN.
These acorn workers were framed??
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003806904_webvotefraud26m.html
http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/03/wisconsin-acorn-workers-2008-election-fraud/
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rehmwa 2
QuoteIt seems like we either have bad single points of failure in an electronic design, or we have idiot drivers. Not sure there's a middle ground.
it can be both
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
rehmwa 2
QuoteMost of the conjecture on those lines is that Obama is destroying Toyota for the benefit of GM.
It's ok, GWB did it first - right after Clinton
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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