Andy9o8 0 #1 March 1, 2010 http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/blame_the_victim_religious_leaflet_claims_ungodly_dressed_women_provoke_rap/42253/ Quote Blame the victim: Religious leaflet claims ‘ungodly’ dressed women provoke rape BRISTOL, Va. – Nineteen-year-old Keshia Canter handed three burgers, fries and milkshakes to a car-load of Tuesday afternoon customers at the Hi-Lo Burger’s drive-though window. A lady sitting in the backseat leaned forward, between the two men in front, and handed her a leaflet: “Women & Girls” it said across the top. “Even though nothing is showing, you’re being ungodly,” Canter recalled the woman telling her. “You make men want to be sinful.” ..... “You may have been given this leaflet because of the way you are dressed,” it begins. “Have you thought about standing before the true and living God to be judged?” It continues with one essential theme: The sins of men are, in part, the fault of women, specifically women in tight-fitting clothing. Yates was annoyed. Then she got to a section on page two: “Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin,” the leaflet states. “By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2 March 1, 2010 How dishonest The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. Showing such a weird view on "wrong dresses" just is absurd. Jesus Christ. Where do those folks live I blame it on religion - you have too many of them dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 March 1, 2010 Quote http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/blame_the_victim_religious_leaflet_claims_ungodly_dressed_women_provoke_rap/42253/ Quote Blame the victim: Religious leaflet claims ‘ungodly’ dressed women provoke rape BRISTOL, Va. – Nineteen-year-old Keshia Canter handed three burgers, fries and milkshakes to a car-load of Tuesday afternoon customers at the Hi-Lo Burger’s drive-though window. A lady sitting in the backseat leaned forward, between the two men in front, and handed her a leaflet: “Women & Girls” it said across the top. “Even though nothing is showing, you’re being ungodly,” Canter recalled the woman telling her. “You make men want to be sinful.” ..... “You may have been given this leaflet because of the way you are dressed,” it begins. “Have you thought about standing before the true and living God to be judged?” It continues with one essential theme: The sins of men are, in part, the fault of women, specifically women in tight-fitting clothing. Yates was annoyed. Then she got to a section on page two: “Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin,” the leaflet states. “By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?” Don't ya just love the American Taliban???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime24 8 #4 March 1, 2010 Quote http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/blame_the_victim_religious_leaflet_claims_ungodly_dressed_women_provoke_rap/42253/ Quote Blame the victim: Religious leaflet claims ‘ungodly’ dressed women provoke rape BRISTOL, Va. – Nineteen-year-old Keshia Canter handed three burgers, fries and milkshakes to a car-load of Tuesday afternoon customers at the Hi-Lo Burger’s drive-though window. A lady sitting in the backseat leaned forward, between the two men in front, and handed her a leaflet: “Women & Girls” it said across the top. “Even though nothing is showing, you’re being ungodly,” Canter recalled the woman telling her. “You make men want to be sinful.” ..... “You may have been given this leaflet because of the way you are dressed,” it begins. “Have you thought about standing before the true and living God to be judged?” It continues with one essential theme: The sins of men are, in part, the fault of women, specifically women in tight-fitting clothing. Yates was annoyed. Then she got to a section on page two: “Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin,” the leaflet states. “By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?” Thats it. From now on it's hoodies and relax fit jeans for everyone.Muff #5048 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #5 March 1, 2010 That indicates a total lack of understanding of what rape is, a power crime. It's not as much a sex crime. Rewrite it to simply say "You're dressed like a slut" and I've seen tons of people I'd hand it to.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 March 1, 2010 QuoteThat indicates a total lack of understanding of what rape is, a power crime. It's not as much a sex crime. when a teenage boy doesn't take no for an answer and presses on, I think that's entirely about sex. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 March 1, 2010 Quote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #8 March 1, 2010 QuoteQuote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? By the little old ladies who watch them all so they can warn everyone about how horrible they are. It's a dirty job, but it's for your own good.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #9 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? A 6" ruler.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #10 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteThat indicates a total lack of understanding of what rape is, a power crime. It's not as much a sex crime. when a teenage boy doesn't take no for an answer and presses on, I think that's entirely about sex. But surely you acknowledge that as a minority of all rapes, don't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat indicates a total lack of understanding of what rape is, a power crime. It's not as much a sex crime. when a teenage boy doesn't take no for an answer and presses on, I think that's entirely about sex. But surely you acknowledge that as a minority of all rapes, don't you? Unsure as to the breakdown. But I think it's frequent enough that we can dispense with simplifications like rape is about power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 March 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat indicates a total lack of understanding of what rape is, a power crime. It's not as much a sex crime. when a teenage boy doesn't take no for an answer and presses on, I think that's entirely about sex. But surely you acknowledge that as a minority of all rapes, don't you? Unsure as to the breakdown. But I think it's frequent enough that we can dispense with simplifications like rape is about power. How is it NOT about exerting power and/or control over an unwilling partner?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 March 2, 2010 Quote How is it NOT about exerting power and/or control over an unwilling partner? The notion, and it also is applied to sexual harassment, is that the act is done because the person gets off on being in control, rather than because they enjoy the act (physical pleasure of sex) itself. For the young, and for those not getting any, I think the ordering may be incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 March 2, 2010 [Over simplicifation alert] ... The stupid-ignorant-rude woman (in the car) needs to have her leaflet stuffed down her throat - these fundies PISS ME OFF [/rant] (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #15 March 2, 2010 Quote Quote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? Like everything else, in which the US is the front-runner, just google it ....... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 March 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? Like everything else, in which the US is the front-runner, just google it ....... Well quit buying so much then if it bothers you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #17 March 2, 2010 Quote Quote Quote The US is the largest video porn producer in the world. How is that measured, exactly? Like everything else, in which the US is the front-runner, just google it ....... somehow I keep thinking about Southpark's frequent references to German Schiza porn and Cartman's mom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #18 March 3, 2010 Quote“Scripture tells us that when a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. If you are dressed in a way that tempts a men to do this secret (or not so secret) sin, you are a participant in the sin,” the leaflet states. “By the way, some rape victims would not have been raped if they had dressed properly. So can we really say they were innocent victims?” A very deceptive use of scripture. Her "BTW" quote is more than enough for me to see her as false (you being an intelligent man should see it quite easily as well). That is absolutely ridiculous. Not only that, her hypocrisy is leading many away from the truth. So sad. Let me interject something. I was in Israel a couple of years ago. There was a Japanese woman there who was curious to learn about who Jesus was because she saw the "Passion of the the Christ". She had "daisy dukes" on, and I mean real daisys. I was immediately turned on by this woman. What can you do? You are attracted and aroused by whatever you are attracted and aroused by are you not? Nevertheless. She ended up getting saved that afternoon and it is still one of my greatest memories. To be able to see the spirit move in someone else is a very humbling and exciting experience. Do you think God cared what she was wearing? Do you think I did? What is more important? Trying to "save" a dying world by justifying your slander in the name of God, or, accepting everyone the way they are... the way God accepts them? Spirit first, then what the spirit desires. It means clean the inside first, then the outside will follow. A pamphlet like this is a call to the contrary. Given I did not read the entire pamphlet, as I cant download on this computer the link, I have read enough to know the type. It sounds like God, but that is it... 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. I have said it before as well. Do you think God desires to wait until you are perfect before he endows you with the perfect love he suffered to ensure we had? Im sure, if this woman truly is a Christian, God will show her error to her, if not, then she is being decieved (therfore used by deception) and doesnt even know it. She is the yeast Jesus speaks of. so sad... but a great example of the warnings Jesus gave us nonetheless."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 March 3, 2010 I think of that kind of christian woman as so many others are.... who do the Sunday morning fashion show at their church with the other like minded bitties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #20 March 3, 2010 She is a self-professed Christian. Maybe casting the beams from your own kind's eyes should come before worrying about the motes in the eyes of atheists. Your god explicitly condoned sex slavery in the OT. I guess he wised up around 2,000 years ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #21 March 3, 2010 QuoteHow is it NOT about exerting power and/or control over an unwilling partner? When it's primarily about having sex.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #22 March 3, 2010 I Googled "Is rape about sex or power?". Here are the hits it generated. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=is+rape+about+sex+or+power%3F&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #23 March 3, 2010 QuoteI think of that kind of christian woman as so many others are.... who do the Sunday morning fashion show at their church with the other like minded bitties. 6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. (2tim) 46Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.(Gospel) The truth is grace. Grace is the truth. They came together as one in Christ... 6From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[a]who is at the Father's side, has made him known. The question is what is grace? Most people accept "unmerrited favor from God" as the "definition", while this is true, a better definition is Gods love. So, love is the truth and the truth is love. Anything contrary to that is not of Jesus. I dont know why this is often missed, but your right, unfortunately there are people in our churches who just dont f-n get it. Jesus praised the pure in heart, not the sin free (as he is the only one who is sin free.. he cant separate himself from himself). Many outside the church and outside the "knowledge of the truth" are pure in heart... God knows those who are his... man can only guess... 47When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false. Was he saying Nathaneal was a sin free man? Certainly not... "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"(Galatians2) "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, So, Jesus discerns the difference between what is pure in Gods sight and what is false. Sin is neither pure nor false, but a part of our very nature. I have to write all this becasue there are believers who read these posts as well and it must be clear and without confusion, so, sorry bout the length. I have already been "condemned to hell" by someone on these forums, so I hope you understand."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #24 March 3, 2010 I also wanted to add that this sounds alot like Islam to me. Islam is based on the first 5 books of the OT Holy Bible. On the Torah. Which means if it echoes the OT, how can it echo the New? that is not to say there are not spiritual truths found in the OT, but the OT ways are dying... Just as Christ died for us, so also we died to the old ways. (Romans7)But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. ..Yet another example of what Paul encountered when he attempted to explain grace to those who were dead set on tradition and religion. He had to confront it all. Washing of hands and feet, circumcision, sabbath, I could go on..."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #25 March 3, 2010 QuoteI Googled "Is rape about sex or power?". Here are the hits it generated. A lot of the same material I reviewed when helping my wife when she was working on her master's. I decided that power was more valid but there are other published viewpoints.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
