nerdgirl 0 #1 November 11, 2009 Twitter has had running stream of tweets that featuring '#FOTW' (Fall of the Wall) since the end of October. As discussion moved to the question of which walls still have to come down and responses from and against China increased, the Chinese government blocked access to Twitter wall. Height of irony, eh? Or recognition that electronic walls are more (?) or as (?) powerful than physical walls in the 21st Century? Which walls still have to come down across the world? And oh-my-goodness, PM Gordon Brown sounded inspiring and dare I say, charismatic, during his remarks on Monday night in Berlin. And major kudos to him for citing Burma! The mayor of Berlin, President Sarkozy, and PM Brown all mentioned reduction in nuclear weapons. President Medvedev was silent on nuclear weapons. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SimonBones 1 #2 November 11, 2009 Maybe the wall dividing West Belfast. There's been peace there for a few years now. Maybe the Catholics and Protestants can get along. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_lines Edited to add link108 way head down world record!!! http://www.simonbones.com Hit me up on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #3 November 11, 2009 The walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #4 November 11, 2009 QuoteAnd oh-my-goodness, PM Gordon Brown sounded inspiring and dare I say, charismatic, during his remarks on Monday night in Berlin. Here's a wall I'd like to break down. The one that allowed an unelected prime minister to get the keys to number 10 without holding an election. The one that allowed a country to give up its sovereignty to an unelected beurocracy in Brussels without so much as a referendum. The wall that allows a government to hire scientific advisors and then fire them when they don't give the answers the government wants. The one called Gordon Brown. The one that has all the charisma of a case of penile warts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #5 November 11, 2009 QuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Am I reading you correctly, are saying that socialism and Marxism are paths to greater freedom than capitalism and a free market economy?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #6 November 11, 2009 QuoteMaybe the wall dividing West Belfast. There's been peace there for a few years now. Maybe the Catholics and Protestants can get along. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_lines Edited to add link Thanks for that example. I wasn't aware of it. Something for me to learn more about. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #7 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Am I reading you correctly, are saying that socialism and Marxism are paths to greater freedom than capitalism and a free market economy? NO!!!! They need to come down as they are walls between us and freedom. If you take them down then you can have freedom! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #8 November 11, 2009 QuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Do you have a specific example? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #9 November 11, 2009 QuoteThe wall that allows a government to hire scientific advisors and then fire them when they don't give the answers the government wants. Is that a 'wall' or exercise of allotted power? Or un-allotted power? Is there a specific case to which you are referring because I'm not aware of one. (That might be multiple.) If I'm reading your comments correctly, it almost sounds as if you're advocating for a 'fire wall' of sorts between technical experts and exercise of political power? Is that correct? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SimonBones 1 #10 November 11, 2009 I've been there and written on the walls. There is lots of tension and hate there. While there are some murals pushing for peace, there are also many public murals calling for more blood. Though calmed down significantly, it's obvious that IRA and UFF activity are not dead.108 way head down world record!!! http://www.simonbones.com Hit me up on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SimonBones 1 #11 November 11, 2009 Some more.108 way head down world record!!! http://www.simonbones.com Hit me up on Facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #12 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Am I reading you correctly, are saying that socialism and Marxism are paths to greater freedom than capitalism and a free market economy? NO!!!! They need to come down as they are walls between us and freedom. If you take them down then you can have freedom! Thank you clearing that up for me. I'm struggling with communication in this forum.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #13 November 11, 2009 QuoteIs that a 'wall' or exercise of allotted power? Or un-allotted power? Is there a specific case to which you are referring because I'm not aware of one. (That might be multiple.) If I'm reading your comments correctly, it almost sounds as if you're advocating for a 'fire wall' of sorts between technical experts and exercise of political power? Is that correct? It's this case.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #14 November 11, 2009 QuoteIs that a 'wall' or exercise of allotted power? Or un-allotted power? Is there a specific case to which you are referring because I'm not aware of one. (That might be multiple.) If I'm reading your comments correctly, it almost sounds as if you're advocating for a 'fire wall' of sorts between technical experts and exercise of political power? Is that correct? I'm thinking of the recent case in the UK where a chief scientific advisor to the government on the misuse of drugs was fired after the government went against the advisory panel's recomendations and he made comment about it. His comments were within the governments own guidelines regarding acceptable comments etc yet he was sacked for lobbying. This has lead to the resignation of five other members of the advisory panel in protest saying that they could not continue in good concience knowing that their advice would not be respected. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6470090/Three-more-drug-advisers-quit-over-sacking-of-Professor-David-Nutt.html If a government commits to using evidence based policy, they should use evidence based policy. But alas it seems the only evidence the UK government want to hear is in support of the policy most likely to keep the unelected PM in office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #15 November 11, 2009 QuoteI've been there and written on the walls. There is lots of tension and hate there. While there are some murals pushing for peace, there are also many public murals calling for more blood. Though calmed down significantly, it's obvious that IRA and UFF activity are not dead. Wow! Those are quite striking. Thanks for posting the images. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #16 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Do you have a specific example? /Marg Take you pick of any current day dictator...... How about the guy that came up with marxism (who its named after). Look at the millions that died under such leaders. Do you really not know history or even current events well enough that I have to provide you with specific examples? -Just to give you a little help with one example of so many .....ever heard of the nationalist-socialist party? Do you know what there "popular" name is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #17 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Do you have a specific example? /Marg Take you pick of any current day dictator...... How about the guy that came up with marxism (who its named after). Look at the millions that died under such leaders. Do you really not know history or even current events well enough that I have to provide you with specific examples? -Just to give you a little help with one example of so many .....ever heard of the nationalist-socialist party? Do you know what there "popular" name is? So you want to bring the "wall" of Nazism in Germany. Great! Job done.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #18 November 11, 2009 Quote Take you pick of any current day dictator...... Prime Minister (and General) Thein Sein. What wall needs to come down there that you would ascribe to socialism or marxism? QuoteHow about the guy that came up with marxism (who its named after). Karl Marx? Do you think he was a dictactor? On what do you base that? What political position do you think he held? Quote Look at the millions that died under such leaders. Like this, perhaps? QuoteDo you really not know history or even current events well enough that I have to provide you with specific examples? That's one way you could choose to interpret my question. Or you could have chosen to respond with a specific case. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #19 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Do you have a specific example? /Marg Take you pick of any current day dictator...... How about the guy that came up with marxism (who its named after). Look at the millions that died under such leaders. Karl Marx was a dictator? Of what state? Do you think every modern day Dictatorship is Marxist?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,398 #20 November 11, 2009 Quote Take you pick of any current day dictator...... How about the guy that came up with marxism (who its named after). Look at the millions that died under such leaders. Do you really not know history or even current events well enough that I have to provide you with specific examples? -Just to give you a little help with one example of so many .....ever heard of the nationalist-socialist party? Do you know what there "popular" name is? The problem is too many people who take the simplistic view that: - Communism == Evil - Capitalism == Good ignoring a couple facts: Declaring themselves "Communist" enabled crackpot dictators (and totalitarian regimes) to wrap a cloak of respectability around themselves which served two purposes during the Cold War: 1. It provided a pretense that they actually believed in Marxism and cared about the population. 2. It got them support from the USSR. Some other crackpot dictators (and totalitarian regimes) used the opposite tactic; They declared themselves Anti-Communist. This provided pretty similar benefits: 1. The illusion they believed in freedom. 2. Support from the USA."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #21 November 11, 2009 Quote-Just to give you a little help with one example of so many .....ever heard of the nationalist-socialist party? Do you know what there "popular" name is? One might say that the example of the Nazi's shows that over-reliance on names are problematic. Similarly nation-states that are called Democratic and Republics, like the DPRK, are neither democratic nor republics. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 November 11, 2009 QuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Considering the two mentioned ideologies are doing better than the, uh, free one, they are sponsoring the, uh, free one, let's leave the walls up so they can continue to support the the, uh, free one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #23 November 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe walls of socialism and marxism need to come down to make the way for freedom! Am I reading you correctly, are saying that socialism and Marxism are paths to greater freedom than capitalism and a free market economy? NO!!!! They need to come down as they are walls between us and freedom. If you take them down then you can have freedom! How do you define freedom? Do you think organized religions are also barriers to freedom? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,141 #24 November 11, 2009 QuoteWhich walls still have to come down across the world? The overly large fence my neighbour built? On a more serious note....walls that stand in the way of what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #25 November 11, 2009 Quote Here's a wall I'd like to break down. The one that allowed an unelected prime minister to get the keys to number 10 without holding an election. UK has never elected a Prime Minister; never. The ruling party does, always has. If you want to live in a republic you can always move to France. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
