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--But what was his "spiritual sacrifice"? He didn't lose anything by taking judgement, he wasn't punished in any way, he went to live in heaven!
I can't begin to imagine what the spiritual sacrifice of Christ on the cross entailed. All I know is that He was sinless and therefore uniquely qualified to offer Himself to take the judgement for our sins.
His sacrifice apparently resulted in His spiritual death, like it does in us who practice evil. God accepted His sacrifice, resurrected Him and restored His spiritual life. Because of that we no longer have a barrier keeping us form knowing God. We can enjoy a personal relationship with Him, now and for eternity.
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Jesus was not without sin. The stories of his youth were carefully sorted through by the Church in order to portray him as such.
If you want to know the real story you must look beyond the Bible. Read the writings that were left out.
This is but one example. farms.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=115
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QuoteI can't begin to imagine what the spiritual sacrifice of Christ on the cross entailed. All I know is that He was sinless and therefore uniquely qualified to offer Himself to take the judgement for our sins.
His sacrifice apparently resulted in His spiritual death, like it does in us who practice evil. God accepted His sacrifice, resurrected Him and restored His spiritual life.
Then that's not death, is it? Resurrection maketh not a sacrifice. What did he lose? Fuck all. So why the big hullabaloo? It's pointless.
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Jesus was not without sin. The stories of his youth were carefully sorted through by the Church in order to portray him as such.
If you want to know the real story you must look beyond the Bible. Read the writings that were left out.
This is but one example. farms.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=115
The above in cultic propaganda by Mormons... lmao
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QuoteMy question is why would a loving God require the death of a creature that he created in the first place. Bloody ridculous, doesn't make any sense and no one has ever been able to give me a good answer as to why.
My first inclination would be to agree with you on this. All I can say and hope for is that God is loving
and that all things will work together toward that purpose. Otherwise we are doomed indeed. But I firmly believe God is good and loving and that we now only see in part, but some day we will see fully just as we are fully known, by God, and loved.
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So in other words you don't know why either.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Jesus was not without sin. The stories of his youth were carefully sorted through by the Church in order to portray him as such.
If you want to know the real story you must look beyond the Bible. Read the writings that were left out.
This is but one example. farms.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=115
The above in cultic propaganda by Mormons... lmao
Yes, I know that. I knew it when I posted.
The point is this: Most branches of Christianity hold Jesus as being a perfect infant who grew into a perfect child who grew into a perfect adult. There is plenty of evidence around to dispute this notion, and the example I posted was just one small bit.
Christian leaders don't want people to know that Jesus was a normal child who, according to some sources, was a bit of a delinquent.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
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Dirty Sanchez #453
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Quote"There are about 2.1 billion Christians in the world today, where are the other 4 billion going when they die??????
I really wonder where you get this figure from? While you may be able to (closely) estimate the global population, there is no possible way you could estimate the # of christians. There are many who profess but are not, there are many who are, and are not considered in polls, or averaging etc. and indeed in many countries, where you can still die for being a christian, there are many who are, but in secret.
QuoteAs a father what if im a Christian however my son decides to choose atheism or perhaps one of the many other religions available, how am I supposed to enjoy my time in heaven when I now my beloved son is eternally burning in a lake of fire???? Will god erase my memory?????? Can you at least answer this one? "
As a father, if you choose to be a christian, you would of course teach your son about Jesus and the word of God. When he reaches the age of accountability, he has to choose, but if you train him right, he will choose at some point in his life.
Proverbs 22:6
Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.
I know many parents (including my own) who have/had children lost in the world, but because of thier faithfulness to God, and thier fervent prayer, eventually those children did/will return to the fold, and make Jesus the Lord of thier life.
James 5:16
... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Dirty Sanchez #453
QuoteWhat you posted was not a small bit of 'evidence', it is a big bit of made-up speculation..
Then don't believe it.
Most of what we know about Jesus' life is speculation. The Church just prefers you to believe he was perfect and without sin. Otherwise, their whole story falls apart.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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There are many things about God that I don't understand. His Word says to have faith and trust that He is good and works everything out the best way possible. And that He loves us. That is all I need. I know it is true.
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QuoteMost of what we know about Jesus' life is speculation.
It is not speculation, when it comes from recorded history.
QuoteThe Church just prefers you to believe he was perfect and without sin. Otherwise, their whole story falls apart.
The church isn't a organization who wants us to belive Jesus was perfect... the church simply believes, and repeats what the Bible says. Tha Jesus Christ was the only person who was sinless. He was God made man. Because he was God, he could not sin. Since the bible is the infallable word of God, which was written by those inspired by God, it is true, not speculation.
On another note, never before or again, has a volume of books, been written that was authored by many people from many walks of life, and many nationalities, and diffferent centuries, and also been so cohesive that they compliment one another and do not oppose each other. That could not have beenb man-concieved.
Dirty Sanchez #453
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Just another note I want to put out there...
Everyone who has lived and who will live, will at one point, bow, and confess that Jesus Christ is lord. It's just that for some, it will be too late. But they will confess it.
Dirty Sanchez #453
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You are predictable, I have been waiting for that outburst. The Bible says that His sacrifice for sin was monumental. I do not know the full extent of it but I believe it was real, and because of it, I can know God.
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My first inclination would be to agree with you on this. All I can say and hope for is that God is loving
and that all things will work together toward that purpose. Otherwise we are doomed indeed. But I firmly believe God is good and loving and that we now only see in part, but some day we will see fully just as we are fully known, by God, and loved.
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