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I believe that at some point EVERYone is given a oppoutnity to choose God or Satan,

If I have to choose between fictional characters, I'd rather go for Daffy Duck.

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

I'm sorry....your screen image....is that a troll?

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you muppet

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Who are Jolly Wallys? if you mean Jehova Witness, they they along with Mormonism, qualify as cults.

How so? Can you actually explain or are you going to spout some ignorant bs that you heard about. Do you even know what the Book of Moron is about.? (yes go ahead and wiki it now so that you can try and formulate a half ass response)
Cults… man know your own history, didn’t the Jews believe that Jesus and his crowd were considered a cult in their day?
I now see why you put a warning on your first post. You've fully dogged out several different Christian denominations as being false religions. So not only are you burning bridges with the atheists your kicking the other Christians in the nuts while your at it. I see the God you believe in must be a much more spiteful God then the one I know. But then again I'm just a cult follower...

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if you mean Jehova Witness, they they along with Mormonism, qualify as cults.

What arrogance. One man's religion is another man's cult. They're all religions. And they're all cults.

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

Haven't read much of the new testament, have ya?

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1. The thousands of people dieing of AIDS in africa because the catholic church bans the use of contraception.
2. All the homosexuals that are persecuted by the church.
3. All the children that are constantly interfered with by church leaders.
4. All the people who suffered and were killed in The Crusades
5. All the people who suffered and were killed by the Inquisition.
6. All the children who have died because their parents refused them medical treatment on religious grounds; relying instead on faith-healers and prayer.
7. The millions that have died and suffered in all the Holy wars
8. All the people that have suffered Slavery, which is supported by scripture ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", St.Paul, Ephesians 6:5)
9. The involuntary indoctrination of children into the religion of their parents, giving them an arbitrary, life-long belief that is almost entirely dependent on their place of birth.
10. The 2,400.000 people killed by the christian god in the bible.. link

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

I agree, Paul never even met Jesus (unless you count the account he gave of his conversion on the raod to Damascus) Barnbus on the other hand walked with Jesus and was hacked off with Paul to the point where they went their seperate ways when Paul allowed non Jews in, renounced the practise of circumcision and threw the dietary laws of Mosses out the window. Still how the hell was Paul going to sell having to give up pork and getting your willy cut to the Romans? I'd say Paul is the founder of Christianity not Jesus.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[reply Still how the hell was Paul going to sell having to give up pork and getting your willy cut to the Romans? I'd say Paul is the founder of Christianity not Jesus.

So, you had to be a complete prick to be a Roman

Actually Paul was a politician first and formost.

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

I agree, Paul never even met Jesus (unless you count the account he gave of his conversion on the raod to Damascus) Barnbus on the other hand walked with Jesus and was hacked off with Paul to the point where they went their seperate ways when Paul allowed non Jews in, renounced the practise of circumcision and threw the dietary laws of Mosses out the window. Still how the hell was Paul going to sell having to give up pork and getting your willy cut to the Romans? I'd say Paul is the founder of Christianity not Jesus.

I'll amend my previous post:

Haven't read much of the gospels, have ya?

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Do you even know what the Book of Moron is about.?

lol.

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It appears to me that he was a charismatic, liberal hippie with some serious delusions about the nature of his conception.

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I'll help you out with defining what a cult is
I can also show you how JH and Mormons meet this criterea, so if I say something about a cult, I do not consider I am 'kicking other Chirstians in the nuts', as I do not consider them Christians.

Ot the sane time, I am aware of many Christian denomonations, with which I have no problem. To name a few, Baptist, Assembly of God, Church of God, Church of Christ, Pennecotal, Lutheran, Presbyteryen, Episcapalian, etc.

1. Extrabiblical Authority: All cults deny what God says in His Word as true. Cults have shifted their theological point of authority away from God's full and final written Word, the Bible, to their own unique, self-promoting opinions about the Bible; they generally will use parts of the Bible but will have their own unique scripture which is considered to be superior to the Bible. While some cult groups give token respect for the Bible and go through the motions of accepting the authority of Scripture, in reality, they honor the group's or leader's novel interpretation of Scripture as normative.

2. Works Salvation/Legalism: Cults teach that eternal life depends upon something other than the Atonement; i.e., faith in the atoning, finished work of Christ on the cross is deemed not to be sufficient (usually replaced with human works and human responsibility). Rather than relying on the grace of God alone for salvation, the salvation message of the cults always boils down to required obedience to, or abstention from, certain obligations and practices (some even including obedience to the Old Testament law).

3. No Assurance of Salvation: The issue of a cult member's salvation is never settled, but is constantly affected by the changing circumstances of life; in this way, cult leaders are able to produce continued obligation and spiritual bondage, rather than spiritual freedom.

4. Guru-Type Leader/Modern Prophet: The cult leader is looked to as the infallible interpreter of Scripture, specially appointed by God to be a special saint, guru, or contemporary messiah, and thereby, has divine authority that must not be violated. Cultists almost always quote their leader rather than the Bible. The cult's adherents often expound the virtues of the founders and seek to cover the founder's sins and wickedness.

5. Vacillating, Ambiguous Doctrines/Spiritual Deception: In order to gain favor with the public, and thereby aid in the recruitment of new members, cult "doctrine" tends to be characterized by many false or deceptive claims concerning the cult's true spiritual beliefs (e.g., Mormons are not quick to reveal their belief that God was a man, who has now become the God of planet Earth).

6. Exclusivity from/Denunciation of Other Groups: Each cult group, regardless of what other doctrines are taught, will all have this one common idea -- "The Only True Church Syndrome." The members of each specific organization have been taught that their church, organization, or community, is the only true group and that all other groups are false. The group's leaders will explain that it is impossible to serve God without being a member of the specific group. Moreover, when the cult leader announces himself as the true "Messiah," all others are declared to be dishonest, deceitful, and deluded, and must be put down; alternative views are denounced as being satanic and corrupt. Persecution is welcomed, and even glorified in, as "evidence" that they are being persecuted for righteousness sake. Thus, if a member decides to leave the group, they have been told that they are not simply leaving an organization, but rather they are leaving God and His only true organization. Hence, for a member of a cult who has been in a group for any length of time, the action of leaving the group is much more difficult than what most Christians understand. To leave the group is, in the minds of the cult member, tantamount to leaving God.

7. Claims of Special Discoveries/Additional Revelation: Acceptance of new, contemporary, continual revelations that either deny the Bible or are allowed to explain it. The fundamental characteristic of Christianity is that it is historical, not dependent upon private knowledge and secret, unconfirmable relationships, while the almost universal basis of cult religion is the claimed exclusive revelation that one person has supposedly received. Rather than conforming to Biblical rules of evidence (2 Cor. 13:1), cult leader revelations almost always emanate from hallucinations, visions, dreams, private discoveries, etc. These new revelations often become codified as official written "scripture" of the cults (e.g., The Book of Mormon), and are considered as valid as that of the apostles (and even more relevant because they are given in these end times).

8. Defective Christology: Cults always have a false view of the nature of the Person of Jesus Christ; a cult will usually deny the true deity of Christ, His true humanity, His true origin, or the true union of the two natures in one Person.

9. Defective "Nature of Man": Most cults do not see man as an immortal being; instead they see him either as an animal without a soul or as a being which is being perfected to the point of becoming a god. They usually do not see man as a spirit clothed in a body of flesh awaiting the redemption of body and soul.

10. Out-Of-Context Scripture Use as Proof-Texts/Segmented Biblical Attention: Cults tend to focus on one verse or passage of the Bible to the exclusion of others, and without regard for the context in which Scripture is given (e.g., 1 Cor. 15:29 used by Mormons to justify baptism for the dead). In addition, cults have made an art form out of using Christian terminology, all the while pouring out their own meanings into the words.

11. Erroneous Doctrines Concerning Life After Death and Retribution: Covering the gamut from soul sleep to annihilationism to purgatory to universalism to the progression to godhood, cults invariably deny the existence of a final judgment of, and a final "resting" place for, the unrighteous.

12. Entangling Organization Structure: The less truth a movement represents, the more highly it seems to have to organize itself; the absence of truth seems to make necessary the application of the bonds of fear. Cults often demand total commitment by their converts to an organizational involvement that entangles them in a complicated set of human restrictions, giving the impression of passionate and often irrational devotion to a cause.

13. Financial Exploitation: The cultic practitioner strongly implies that money contributed to the cause will earn the contributor numerous gifts, powers, and abilities, and in many cases, outright salvation.

14. Pseudomystical/Spiritistic/Occultic Influence: Occult influence is many times found in either the origin of the group and/or in its current practices.

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I'd say that whoever wrote that lot, is probably in a cult himself.

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That was great detective work, finding the source of that particular post, but more importantly, can you refute any of it?

Tact is not my specialty.....

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Jesus was a maveric rabbi who would have been seriously pissed off had he known Paul et all would be opening up his sect to non-Jewish members after his death.

I agree, Paul never even met Jesus (unless you count the account he gave of his conversion on the raod to Damascus) Barnbus on the other hand walked with Jesus and was hacked off with Paul to the point where they went their seperate ways when Paul allowed non Jews in, renounced the practise of circumcision and threw the dietary laws of Mosses out the window. Still how the hell was Paul going to sell having to give up pork and getting your willy cut to the Romans? I'd say Paul is the founder of Christianity not Jesus.

I'll amend my previous post:

Haven't read much of the gospels, have ya?

Actually read them all, have you?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Sentence no. 1 "All cults deny what God says in His Word [the Bible] as true". In other words, anyone who isn't a biblical literalist christian is in a cult. But from the first entry in the dictionary definition of the word cult, anyone who practices "a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies." is in a cult. Hence it is arguably true that the author of The Marks of a Cult is actually, as the dictionary defines it, in a cult.

If you are going to cut and paste chunks of unreferenced text from someone elses writings and attach your name to it, you should be aware that exposing that plagiarism is as simple as cutting and pasting a sentence into google. Isn't there some kind of commandment against stealing and bearing false whitness?

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That was great detective work, finding the source of that particular post, but more importantly, can you refute any of it?

im still waiting for you to refute my posts.... you gonna give it go?

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All religions are cults. Christianity is simply one of the more popular ones. Any organisation that touts a make believe entity at the venerable/stupid/ignorant/poor/brainwashed is a cult. this is pretty obvious. It does not matter if you are saying a man is GOD, or GOD is GOD, you are still saying that YOUR GOD is the only true one, and all others are wrong/evil/silly/perverted. how can you say christianity is not a cult, when it encourages its followers to gather in large numbers to worship a make believe ghost in the sky? through fear and threats of suffering, the cults ways are pushed onto the members at these meetings and money is liberated from the flock.... I cant see a single thing about Christianity that makes it ANY different from ANY other crazy belief system. It seems to me that one of the signs that you might be in a cult is to be certain that your belief is the only TRUE one and all others are wrong.... in the face of NOT a single SHRED of evidence. Are you sure your not infected with a virus of the mind........????

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Sentence no. 1 "All cults deny what God says in His Word [the Bible] as true". In other words, anyone who isn't a biblical literalist christian is in a cult. But from the first entry in the dictionary definition of the word cult, anyone who practices "a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies." is in a cult. Hence it is arguably true that the author of The Marks of a Cult is actually, as the dictionary defines it, in a cult.

If you are going to cut and paste chunks of unreferenced text from someone elses writings and attach your name to it, you should be aware that exposing that plagiarism is as simple as cutting and pasting a sentence into google. Isn't there some kind of commandment against stealing and bearing false whitness?

I wasn't concerned, as I was not plagerizing, just passing along the info, of course I know you can google it, and encoruage it. There was no theft, as it was in the public domain, and if YOU are going to paste chucks, of dictionary definition, paste it all, not just part.

Tact is not my specialty.....

Dirty Sanchez #453

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In any case, I can't remember which ones you are referring to, so as I tire of this particular debate, I will adjourn, I have better things to do, like jump out of planes. It has been a real pleasurable debate though.

Tact is not my specialty.....

Dirty Sanchez #453

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I wasn't concerned, as I was not plagerizing, just passing along the info,

Erm, cutting and pasting without citing your source and attaching your own name to it is plagiarism by definition.