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You know you look kinda familiar...Hmmmm

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[br0k3n 0]

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Jesus was the son of God, concieved by the Holy Ghosts, and born of the Virgin Mary in the city of Bethleham. He upset the reining figureheads that were in place 2009 years ago and really upset the leaders. They were offended that he was proclaiming to be the son of God. So they killed him. He died so we may have eternal life. His last words while hanging nailed to the cross on Golgatha was "Eli, Eli Lama Thabachthami." "My God, My God Why Hast Thou Foresaken Me?" He was 32 years old when he passed his time on earth, buried in a tomb and rose again 3 days later, ascended into heaven to sit upon the right hand of his Father.

If you don't believe any of what i say here remember this: "Faith Cometh By Hearing, And Hearing Through The Word Of God.

Fire Away.

Amen to that

Ah im glad your back, now back to my questions, perhaps between you both you might be able to answer these 2, or perhaps just put your head back in the sand...

"There are about 2.1 billion Christians in the world today, where are the other 4 billion going when they die??????

As a father what if im a Christian however my son decides to choose atheism or perhaps one of the many other religions available, how am I supposed to enjoy my time in heaven when I now my beloved son is eternally burning in a lake of fire???? Will god erase my memory?????? Can you at least answer this one? "

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[jakee 1,254]

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You know you look kinda familiar...Hmmmm

The Dude abides.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,254]

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He was 32 years old when he passed his time on earth, buried in a tomb and rose again 3 days later, ascended into heaven to sit upon the right hand of his Father.

So that's supposed to be the great sacrifice he made so he could take the weight of our sins, right?

Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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"You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?"

Eddie Harris in "Major League", 1989

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[maadmax 0]

"There are about 2.1 billion Christians in the world today, where are the other 4 billion going when they die??????***

God is loving, fair and just, He will sort it all out perfectly. It is not something we need to worry about. You will need to do better than that if you want to expose a logical fallacy, that will cause one to question their faith in God.

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As a father what if im a Christian however my son decides to choose atheism or perhaps one of the many other religions available, how am I supposed to enjoy my time in heaven when I now my beloved son is eternally burning in a lake of fire???? Will god erase my memory?????? Can you at least answer this one? ***

Anyone missing the mark and spending eternity apart form God will be regrettable, son or not. All will be known, there will be nothing hidden. But for the elected of God " He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall no longer be any death, there shall no longer be any mourning or crying or pain, these old things will pass away."


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[maadmax 0]

So that's supposed to be the great sacrifice he made so he could take the weight of our sins, right?

Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?***

While nailed to a cross He, as the sinless God/man, was judged by God for our sins, neutralizing the penalty generated by the sins of all who have lived. Before He died physically , He said " it is finished, into Your Hands I commit My Spirit", indicating that His spiritual sacrifice had been completed, removing the sin barrier between man and God.

"For Christ died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God"

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[happythoughts 0]

Jesus may have been a Mafia Capo.
His followers are running the rackets in Rome.
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Nick Squires in Rome
Last Updated: 10:48PM GMT 03 Nov 2008

The clergyman and nuns allegedly hit and kicked the 49-year-old man in an argument over the lease on the restaurant, which is owned by the Catholic Church.

The restaurateur said he rushed to the eatery, in the village of Rutino near Salerno, in southern Italy, after hearing that the priest and nuns were causing trouble.

He told police that he got into an argument with the priest, who smashed a chair over his head. The nuns followed up by kicking him in the stomach.

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So that's supposed to be the great sacrifice he made so he could take the weight of our sins, right?

Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?***

While nailed to a cross He, as the sinless God/man, was judged by God for our sins, neutralizing the penalty generated by the sins of all who have lived. Before He died physically , He said " it is finished, into Your Hands I commit My Spirit", indicating that His spiritual sacrifice had been completed, removing the sin barrier between man and God.

"For Christ died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God"

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This makes no sense what so ever... so to put it another way, i have committed a crime (sin), i am on death row, but at the last minute some stranger comes along and takes my place, is killed and i am a free man!!!!! how is that justice, how does that free me of anything?

Lets be realistic, this is an mythical story and depicts the age old blood sacrifice for the appeasement of a wrathful primitive and brutal deity, quick lets toss another virgin into the volcano

Also why am i responsible for the supposed actions of Adam and Eve, who actually never existed in the first place which makes a mockery of the whole concept, but that is beside the point.

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[shropshire 0]

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He will sort it all out perfectly

Yet more nonsense/guesswork/cop-out

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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So to recap... we s'posed to believe that a man was..

born to a virgin - Yeah right

his birth was announce by an angel (flying man) [shakes head]

turned water in to wine

magically cured poorly people

walked on water
and get this...

Died and came back to life again (quietly, so that only a few people saw him... and they didn't recognise him)... then disappeared without a trace)

Poppycock...... Next

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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So to recap... we s'posed to believe that a man was..

born to a virgin - Yeah right

his birth was announce by an angel (flying man) [shakes head]

turned water in to wine

magically cured poorly people

walked on water
and get this...

Died and came back to life again (quietly, so that only a few people saw him... and they didn't recognise him)... then disappeared without a trace)

Poppycock...... Next

You're forgeting the Trinity...

Try preaching THAT!

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[shropshire 0]

So way beyond belief as to not be worth considering further.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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So way beyond belief as to not be worth considering further.

It not that bad...you can atleast analogize it to the 3 primary colors of light.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[jakee 1,254]

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So that's supposed to be the great sacrifice he made so he could take the weight of our sins, right?

Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?***

While nailed to a cross He, as the sinless God/man, was judged by God for our sins, neutralizing the penalty generated by the sins of all who have lived. Before He died physically , He said " it is finished, into Your Hands I commit My Spirit", indicating that His spiritual sacrifice had been completed, removing the sin barrier between man and God.

"For Christ died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God"

But what does the dying have to do with it? And what was his "spiritual sacrifice"?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?***

The sacrifice was the undeserved spiritual & physical death on the cross which neutralized the penalty for the worlds disobedience(sin). " The wages of sin is death,( spiritual & physical)


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This makes no sense what so ever... so to put it another way, i have committed a crime (sin), i am on death row, but at the last minute some stranger comes along and takes my place, is killed and i am a free man!!!!! how is that justice, how does that free me of anything? ***

It makes a lot of sense to me. You are right it is not justice. The term for it is Grace. Justice is what we deserve, separation from God. Grace is what Christ has made available to those who believe.

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God is loving, fair and just, He will sort it all out perfectly. It is not something we need to worry about. You will need to do better than that if you want to expose a logical fallacy, that will cause one to question their faith in God.

So basically regardless of what particular religion I follow I will end up in heaven as your god will just "sort it out"?

The words “Fantasy land” and “your living in one” spring to mind. Perhaps if you had read the bible then you will have no doubt noticed that your god is far from loving, fair and just. To name but 5 examples that spring to mind….

1. 2 Kings 2:23-24 : 42 children are killed for calling a prophet "baldy",
2. 1 Samuel 6:19 : 70 people are killed for looking in (or "at") the Ark of the Covenant.
3. 1 Kings 20:30 : God makes a wall fall on and kill 27 000 of an army retreating from some Israelites.
4. Numbers 16:16-49 : Death to all those who complain (14 950 of them altogether).
5. 2 Samuel 6:6-11 : God kills someone for accidentally touching the Ark of the Covenant.

Now the doctrine of the Original Sin where children are punished for the sins of there parents, hardly sounds “fair and just” to me. Adam and Eve where punished for sinning before they knew the difference between good and evil, your God is most certainly NOT “loving, fair and just” if it punishes innocent people for sins they do not understand and could not resist.
You are going to need to do a lot better than that load of twaddle about “fair and loving”

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Anyone missing the mark and spending eternity apart form God will be regrettable, son or not. All will be known, there will be nothing hidden. But for the elected of God " He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall no longer be any death, there shall no longer be any mourning or crying or pain, these old things will pass away."

So god will erase my memory? That’s basically what you are saying isn’t it? Seem’s a little dodgy to me,

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[br0k3n 0]

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So that's supposed to be the great sacrifice he made so he could take the weight of our sins, right?

Because if it is, I don't get it. What was the sacrifice?***

While nailed to a cross He, as the sinless God/man, was judged by God for our sins, neutralizing the penalty generated by the sins of all who have lived. Before He died physically , He said " it is finished, into Your Hands I commit My Spirit", indicating that His spiritual sacrifice had been completed, removing the sin barrier between man and God.

"For Christ died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God"

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Do you actually read what you post?

Why didn't god, being all powerful and all, just wave his hands utter the magic words and neutralise the "penalty" generated by all the sinning??? that would have been a lot easier.....

Also can you please expand on "Spiritual Sacrifice" what is that exactly???

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[maadmax 0]

--But what does the dying have to do with it? And what was his "spiritual sacrifice"?

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Some things just are. You can accept reality as it is, or just create your own.

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"You can accept reality as it is " = REALITY ( science/evidence! )

" Or just create your own..." = RELIGION !!

how can you say this and quote a story book as fact????? the mind boggels

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--So basically regardless of what particular religion I follow I will end up in heaven as your god will just "sort it out"?

[aesalon 0]

what he was we can never know for sure (it was two thousands years ago).

what he is now, above all else but among other things (some of them positive), is a heavily exploited legend.

exploited for money and power, with ignorance and violence as a final product.

blame it on rome. so-called saul/paul especially.

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"You can accept reality as it is " = REALITY ( science/evidence! )

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Mr dmkellet, ..,I hope you won't take this as a personal attack, that's not my intention and if you'll grant me a bit of liberty here I hope you'll see the point I'm trying to make .
Mr. dmkellet , do you have a brain?

Blues Cliff

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[dmkellett 0]

HA, troll.

im a robot. i believe whatever people in authority tell me to. I blindly follow story-books.

I also didnt register 15 days ago and leave my profile blank. go crawl back under ur troll bridge. or just post as urself not a newbie. or make some sense?

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HA, troll.

Not a troll Mr.dmkellet.
Just making a point .
You said science equalled reallity.
So by the scientific method can you prove to us that you have a brain?

Can we touch it taste it feel it measure it?
If not your brain is only "theory" not reality.

Blues,
Cliff

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