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“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”
Well, if insults are the only things you could come with to support your position, I'd say it is kinda weak.
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It certainly is a tough call but I disagree. I admit I'm confused as to how this became an issue to begin with. Where's Kbordsen when we need her?
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QuoteNo I didn't miss that. I'm just not convinced the need is there. They're talking about spending a lot of money a project we don't necessarily need during a time when our state may need a federal bail out.
Yet Vegas would be ok? (no, I don't believe you meant that seriously)
No, it's not spending a lot of money now - it's spending a lot of money over the next decade on badly needed infrastructure. We've been shortchanging that spending for a while now and it's far less non essential then other options on the table.
This train would replace a lot of flights, and a lot of cars. Given our pollution issues, and our legislated desire to lower emissions, it's rather necessary. And upon completion, if successful, would lead quickly to one to go to Vegas, though it too is a corridor that warrants doing one, perhaps over a road expansion. The difference is that a NorCal-SoCal train is essential to the state, whereas one to Vegas is a bit more of a luxury.
This article nails my fears. I didn't read it until just now.
Not what it's cracked up to be
Not what it's cracked up to be
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QuoteQuoteAnd yet, there is ONE THING - just ONE THING - that it is determined, "Hey, we don't care if she's nine. She can get this invasive medical procedure done on demand without parental consent."
Well, she can also get pregnant without parental consent.
And get injured without parental consent. Yet, to irrigate a wound, they need parental consent. A teenager can step on a piece of glass, and to get it removed and the wound debrided it needs parental consent, right?
So there is no difference. Except in one case, a kid can actually get a surgical procedure without parental consent.
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“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”
Well, if insults are the only things you could come with to support your position, I'd say it is kinda weak.
Do you have any evidence that the video is a fake? It is common knowledge about how slaughterhouses operate. And it is just cruel how these animals are abused. How aware are you of where your food comes from? Like most, you are terribly removed from your food source. Perhaps YOU should visit these slaughter houses yourself so that you can learn about the atrocities that these animals endure. Is there any wonder that the turnover rate for slaughterhouse workers averages 75%?
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QuoteAnd get injured without parental consent. Yet, to irrigate a wound, they need parental consent. A teenager can step on a piece of glass, and to get it removed and the wound debrided it needs parental consent, right?
I don't know. When I was badly injured in a car wreck as a teenager, I think they did quite a bit of stuff to save my life without parental consent. But yeah, I guess it didn't involve a surgical procedure.
And I don't see getting pregnant as being similar to getting injured. But I can understand your opinion on the subject, even though I disagree.
QuoteThis article nails my fears. I didn't read it until just now.
Not what it's cracked up to be
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that THE REASON INSTITUTE has never come out in favour of a public infrastructure project of any kind. Free market based think tanks never do.
That said the question needs to be asked; if the need is there and the demand will be there after construction, why is the private sector not stepping up?
QuoteQuoteAnd get injured without parental consent. Yet, to irrigate a wound, they need parental consent. A teenager can step on a piece of glass, and to get it removed and the wound debrided it needs parental consent, right?
I don't know. When I was badly injured in a car wreck as a teenager, I think they did quite a bit of stuff to save my life without parental consent. But yeah, I guess it didn't involve a surgical procedure.
When your life is at risk if care is delayed, the rules get loosened. But an abortion can nearly always wait a week. (that would not be true for plan B, of course)
And believe me, I understand your side. It's why I almost am ashamed for my position, because it seems unfeeling.
But it is what it is. I simply cannot tolerate having a single exception.
p.s. - in a car wreck, there is no need for even patient consent because of the emergency nature of the injuries. But abortions are not emergencies, unless they threaten the life of the mother, which is an exception built in to the law.
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But it is what it is. I simply cannot tolerate having a single exception.
p.s. - in a car wreck, there is no need for even patient consent because of the emergency nature of the injuries. But abortions are not emergencies, unless they threaten the life of the mother, which is an exception built in to the law.
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Quotep.s. - in a car wreck, there is no need for even patient consent because of the emergency nature of the injuries. But abortions are not emergencies, unless they threaten the life of the mother, which is an exception built in to the law.
Yes, I guess I shouldn't have mentioned the car wreck. The main point was that I don't think injuries and pregnancy can be compared to each other; they're just not the same thing.
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QuoteMaybe I missed something, but do someone really need a train to visit all the cool dropzones we have up here? Won't a car work?
correct me if I'm wrong but a teenager still won't need consent. I believe the proposition is only to provide 48 hour notice to the adult
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At this point and time isn't it left up to the doctor to notify the parents or not? And why aren't they notifying the parents? Is it because the children don't want their parents to know and the doctors have to honor that?
Is not forcing doctors to notify parents a better alternative to young women sticking coat hangars up their hoohas? And that right there is the key isn't it?
Is not forcing doctors to notify parents a better alternative to young women sticking coat hangars up their hoohas? And that right there is the key isn't it?
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As an alternative, no.
But that argument is along the same lines as, "Should young girls face possible post-operative complications without the knowledge of the parents?"
Again, I have set that aside in favor of what I personally think is a more important policy - that of consistency.
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But that argument is along the same lines as, "Should young girls face possible post-operative complications without the knowledge of the parents?"
Again, I have set that aside in favor of what I personally think is a more important policy - that of consistency.
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QuoteWhat happened to prop 12?
It ended up on the second page of my absentee ballot and I missed it when I was typing the stuff above, but it's a bond measure that we can't afford so, no.
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As for the others, i'm an idealist, plain and simple. I'm voting for the train and energy things because i believe it's the right thing to do, no matter what. Yes on 2, no on 4, yes on 5, yes on 11. I haven't read enough about the others to make a decision yet.
With regards to the "right thing to do", you need to look at whether it's the right thing to do at this time and whether this is the right way to pay for it. Bond measures are very costly in the long run. They're a way to get money now by borrowing against our already very shaky future. Is that the right thing to do?
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If you are in favor of a bond measure for construction of whatever, vote for it. It's not like we are ever going to save up and pay cash for it, any more than 99+% of the population is going to pay cash for their house. If it isn't worth the cost, or can reasonably be put off, vote against it.
<<<... if a pregnant teenager doesn't go running to mom and dad on her own when she finds out she's pregnant, that relationship is already broken. >>>
This is a blanket statement, so I'll counter it with one of my own. Parents, even bad parents, need to be informed about medical precedures of their children.
This is a blanket statement, so I'll counter it with one of my own. Parents, even bad parents, need to be informed about medical precedures of their children.
Well, she can also get pregnant without parental consent.
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