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Channman 2
I still think its a good method for getting information. I've done some waterboarding in my time, you get though it a whole lot better with Scuba Gear.
Amazon 7
There are FAR more advantageous methods of getting GOOD information.. not a bunch of bullshit that the person on the recieving is willing to tell you to make it stop.
As in grab an insurgent/terrorist/enemy agent who has been making bombs, and find a few detailed notes, you may want to cause him some duress to find out the information you need RFN, other than that, you can always go the normal routes of sleep deprivation, and mind games.
Sometimes just knowing that giving the info is a smart thing to do, when being faced with transfer to the Israeli's
There are always ways to get the information, it just depends on what speed neccessary in order for it to be useful.
Skyrad 0
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QuoteFace it Jeanne, you would take water boarding over what the other side uses.
I am not saying it is not highly stressful, and can actually result in death.
I am just saying step back and look at the entire scenario.
Two things come to mind. First, this sounds like the "we're not as bad as Saddam" defense. And secondly, a question, would it be torture if it were done to our soldiers?
IMHO, Mukasey won't admit what he thinks, that it is indeed torture. But his boss has been responsible for it being done already and he feels that he has to try to protect him.
Skyrad 0
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billvon 2,473
Everyone would.
Edited to not suggest anything about WS himself.
I can attest that wakeboarding IS a form of torture. Last time "friends" made me try it, I almost ingested an entire lake. It should be ille......... oh, you were talking about something else.
Carry on then.
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
nerdgirl 0
QuoteIn 1947, a Japanese soldier who used water boarding against a U.S. citizen during World War II was sentenced to 15 years in U.S. prison for committing a war crime.
Do you have any more information on this? I'd like to know more about the specific case. Thanks.
VR/Marg
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kallend 1,679
QuoteQuoteIn 1947, a Japanese soldier who used water boarding against a U.S. citizen during World War II was sentenced to 15 years in U.S. prison for committing a war crime.
Do you have any more information on this? I'd like to know more about the specific case. Thanks.
VR/Marg
Just see [idrankwhat] & [lawrocket]'s new sig lines
here's an NPR transcript:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15886834
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Skyrad 0
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A Punishable Offense
In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
"All of these trials elicited compelling descriptions of water torture from its victims, and resulted in severe punishment for its perpetrators," writes Evan Wallach in the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law
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Jeanne, didn't you go to SERE? I got waterboarded there. Sucked, but I wouldn't say it's something worth all this whining.
Now electrodes to the nipples and shit...unless you're a Republican at a convention in Vegas...that would be worth whining about. (Threw that in for my bleeding heart friends)
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Genn 0
Whomever leaked the information about any form of interrogation, should be tried for treason. Unfortunately, they will probably go work for CNN.
jakee 1,279
QuoteWhomever leaked the information about any form of interrogation, should be tried for treason. Unfortunately, they will probably go work for CNN.
Ahhh. Any and all atrocities and human rights abuses are ok, as long as no-one finds out. Got it.
Jeanne why the crazy icon?
I addressed that post to you because you would understand the finer details of what we are facing, what needs to be accomplished, and ultimately what can be done.
Damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
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