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QuoteQuoteThe teenager didn't deserve to die, for heaven's sake.
actually he did.. actions have consequences, something that has been greatly lost by people who view predatory animals as 'pets' and entertainment.
I mourn the loss of another great cat.. 1 less human asshole who learned 'the hard way' that predators are not play toys doesn't bother me much at all...
Yikes dude..
The kid was 17 years old and granted, he was doing something stupid, he didn't deserve to die. I don't think he probably had education, much less an opinion on predatory animals. Your statement really irks me. Think of all the dumb shit you did when you were a kid. Its easy to make stern sounding statements like "actions have consequences," until one of you or yours' seemingly benign actions results in a serious injury/death. Do you 'deserve to die' for anything stupid you've done?
How can you mourn the death of a cat over that of a kid? That cat didn't have parents at home, or relatives, or friends that are cogniscent enough to even know its gone. That kid may have been acting stupid, but our moments of stupidity don't necessarily represent who we really are.
Do people who tempt fate by jumping out of airplanes deserve to die? Someone bounces; 'One less human dumbfuck who learned 'the hard way' that gravity is real and shouldn't be toyed with.' That may be a stretch, but not a leap too far from your idea.
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Do people who tempt fate by jumping out of airplanes deserve to die?
We aren't torturing or harassing gravity in any manner when we jump. People who get drunk and high, and then harass animals, even at 17, may pay a price for it. Most get away with these transgressions by good luck.
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Most get away with these transgressions by good luck.
and by enclosures that actually keep the animals in.
and by enclosures that actually keep the animals in.
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Zenister 0
QuoteDo you 'deserve to die' for anything stupid you've done?
yes.. up till now ive been lucky but eventually my luck will run out, or i'll stop doing stupid things first. (if its the former don't waste the tears they wont bring me back)
QuoteDo people who tempt fate by jumping out of airplanes deserve to die? Someone bounces; 'One less human dumbfuck who learned 'the hard way' that gravity is real and shouldn't be toyed with.' That may be a stretch, but not a leap too far from your idea.
skydivers take active measures to help ensure their 'stupid acts' are not fatal, but if/when those measures fail...YES.
Jumping out of a plane IS an action 'worthy of' death (particularly when you take no precautions to prevent the eventual outcome)
toying with anything 'fatal' without taking personal precautions IS 'stupid', failure to recognize when you are dealing with a "fatal situation" is the definition of Ignorance.
the only good that may come out of this entire event is more people will recognize wild animals are NOT play toys.. EVEN if you think you are 'safe' from them.
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Zipp0 1
QuoteQuoteDo you 'deserve to die' for anything stupid you've done?
yes.. up till now ive been lucky but eventually my luck will run out, or i'll stop doing stupid things first. (if its the former don't waste the tears they wont bring me back)QuoteDo people who tempt fate by jumping out of airplanes deserve to die? Someone bounces; 'One less human dumbfuck who learned 'the hard way' that gravity is real and shouldn't be toyed with.' That may be a stretch, but not a leap too far from your idea.
skydivers take active measures to help ensure their 'stupid acts' are not fatal, but if/when those measures fail...YES.
Jumping out of a plane IS an action 'worthy of' death (particularly when you take no precautions to prevent the eventual outcome)
toying with anything 'fatal' without taking personal precautions IS 'stupid', failure to recognize when you are dealing with a "fatal situation" is the definition of Ignorance.
the only good that may come out of this entire event is more people will recognize wild animals are NOT play toys.. EVEN if you think you are 'safe' from them.
I don't care if the kid shot the lion with a BB gun - he did not deserve to die for 'taunting' a supposedly restrained animal. To suggest that a kid deserves to be mauled to death for teasing a lion is fucking SICK. It's not like he was on safari with a steak tied to his head like some Jackass stunt. He was a teenager in a zoo.
By the way - still no proof whatsoever of taunting.
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kallend 1,648
QuoteMost get away with these transgressions by good luck.
and by enclosures that actually keep the animals in.
Animals, like people, are very resourceful.
People once believed it was impossible to run a mile in less than 4 minutes.
I ** believe** my CYPRES will keep me from bouncing, but I do not tempt fate by being totally stupid when I skydive.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteBy the way - still no proof whatsoever of taunting.
bullshit- the evidence is growing. You can dismiss it all as not being proof, but that's because the survivors still refuse to cooperate.
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>taunting a predator (an action) worthy of death? yes.
No, it's not "worthy of death" any more than a friend of yours is "worthy of death" if he jumps a main you think is way smaller than he should be jumping at his experience level.
Is it stupid? Yes.
Does it increase his odds of getting killed? Yes.
Should people excoriate him for doing such things? Yes.
Does either person "deserve to die?" No.
No, it's not "worthy of death" any more than a friend of yours is "worthy of death" if he jumps a main you think is way smaller than he should be jumping at his experience level.
Is it stupid? Yes.
Does it increase his odds of getting killed? Yes.
Should people excoriate him for doing such things? Yes.
Does either person "deserve to die?" No.
Zenister 0
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080119/ap_on_re_us/tiger_attacks
QFT.
to BV again with the non sequitors... the axiom applies "if you are going to be stupid, you'd better be tough"
jumping a main you are not ready for is clearly stupid. (note: not that your friends/loved ones/fence sitters think you are not ready for, but one that your ability shows you are not ready for.. there is a distinct (but subtle) difference))
if one are tough enough/lucky enough to survive, perhaps they will seek training or counseling depending on what their 'offense against sense' was.... if not... oh well.. they did deserve to die for both arrogance and stupidity... people often manage to elude the consequences which their actions deserve.. but that does not change the 'worthiness' of the action.
it is the definition of 'tragedy'
failure to respect physics often results in death in skydiving... failure to respect a predator resulted in death for the friend of these fools...
protecting you from yourself and the consequences of your actions should never be societies job in any environment. Zoos provide the illusion of safety.. and only help teach disrespect toward that which would otherwise kill you...
you dont see many people taunting predators in open fields now do you??? wonder why??
QuoteClearly there's the lesson to be learned here," said zoo spokesman Sam Singer. "The lesson is that it's not a good idea to drink, it's not a good idea to be high on dope, and it's not a good idea to taunt a man-eating tiger."
QFT.
to BV again with the non sequitors... the axiom applies "if you are going to be stupid, you'd better be tough"
jumping a main you are not ready for is clearly stupid. (note: not that your friends/loved ones/fence sitters think you are not ready for, but one that your ability shows you are not ready for.. there is a distinct (but subtle) difference))
if one are tough enough/lucky enough to survive, perhaps they will seek training or counseling depending on what their 'offense against sense' was.... if not... oh well.. they did deserve to die for both arrogance and stupidity... people often manage to elude the consequences which their actions deserve.. but that does not change the 'worthiness' of the action.
it is the definition of 'tragedy'
QuoteAfter the attack, the zoo posted new signs asking visitors to be respectful of the animals.
failure to respect physics often results in death in skydiving... failure to respect a predator resulted in death for the friend of these fools...
protecting you from yourself and the consequences of your actions should never be societies job in any environment. Zoos provide the illusion of safety.. and only help teach disrespect toward that which would otherwise kill you...
you dont see many people taunting predators in open fields now do you??? wonder why??
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Andy9o8 0
Quoteprotecting you from yourself and the consequences of your actions should never be societies job in any environment.
In the case of a zoo, I disagree.
This isn't a case where the people circumvented the physical protection by, for example, crossing a moat or entering a cage. These people were within the "envelope of protection" that the zoo held out to the public as being adequate. The tiger escaped confinement and was able to run loose and unrestrained in the public area. The physical protection should have prevented that, no matter what, but failed to do so.
The issue is not whether the people were taunting the animal; it's whether the physical protection within the "envelope of protection" was adequate. It is well-known by zookeepers that wild animals can be provoked by myriad types of human stimuli - some seemingly innocuous, like color of clothes, fragrances, loud sneezes, or even mere presence and proximity.
Visiting a zoo is not a risk to be assumed, as long as the visitor stays within the physical protection provided by the zoo. No matter what the stimulus from the humans, the physical protection to the public must be adequate; and in that regard, either it is adequate, or it is not. In this case it was not.
Well, so much for the "you only have to outrun your buddy" theory. ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
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Zenister 0
you and I completely disagree on the purpose and value of Zoos.
the 'ultimate protection' you desire is EXACTLY what promotes the culture of disrespect, towards animals in this case and towards gravity in skydiving by those who assume they are 'invincible'
the 'ultimate protection' you desire is EXACTLY what promotes the culture of disrespect, towards animals in this case and towards gravity in skydiving by those who assume they are 'invincible'
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
juanesky 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe teenager didn't deserve to die, for heaven's sake.
actually he did.. actions have consequences, something that has been greatly lost by people who view predatory animals as 'pets' and entertainment.
I mourn the loss of another great cat.. 1 less human asshole who learned 'the hard way' that predators are not play toys doesn't bother me much at all...
Yikes dude..
The kid was 17 years old and granted, he was doing something stupid, he didn't deserve to die. I don't think he probably had education, much less an opinion on predatory animals. Your statement really irks me. Think of all the dumb shit you did when you were a kid. Its easy to make stern sounding statements like "actions have consequences," until one of you or yours' seemingly benign actions results in a serious injury/death. Do you 'deserve to die' for anything stupid you've done?
How can you mourn the death of a cat over that of a kid? That cat didn't have parents at home, or relatives, or friends that are cogniscent enough to even know its gone. That kid may have been acting stupid, but our moments of stupidity don't necessarily represent who we really are.
Do people who tempt fate by jumping out of airplanes deserve to die? Someone bounces; 'One less human dumbfuck who learned 'the hard way' that gravity is real and shouldn't be toyed with.' That may be a stretch, but not a leap too far from your idea.
Man, you need to understand that stupidity does kill. It does not make any succint distinction because it is you! at certain point in time. Everyone makes stupid mistakes, that can be costly and deadly. Take for example, drinking, drugging, and jumping-driving-harrassing a tiger.
Not only did those kids did something stupid (harassing the animals and being generally rude to those around them) but they also incurred in criminal actions, such as underage drinking, illegal drugs, and DRIVING to the Zoo, so the chain of events was really a long one, the more they tempted death, the less chance to survive they had.
But that is just an opinion....
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Andy9o8 0
Quoteyou and I completely disagree on the purpose and value of Zoos.
the 'ultimate protection' you desire ....
You seem to have a penchant for mischaracterizing my posts today (not just in this thread). My post says what it says, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not interested in playing the game.
Interesting.
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