Am I a Republican?

[billvon 2,400]

>You will be forced off campus if you want to hear about opportunities to join the military.

As you will be FORCED off campus anywhere in the US if you want to hear about opportunities in the skydiving or exotic modeling industries! Why, I hear you can't even buy Playboy in some high schools. Fascism! Way to FORCE CENSORSHIP down innocent teenager's THROATS!

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[jakee 1,255]

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So could you tell me where in SF could I see people who are forcing other people to act according to their beliefs?

Enroll in a local high school there. You will be forced off campus if you want to hear about opportunities to join the military.

Hmm, are you saying that you will be physically escorted from the premises if you ask to hear about opportunities to join the military? Or were you just using hyperbole and actually only meant that military recruiters aren't allowed in SF high schools?

I'll join others in asking again (since I have visited SF, had a great time and would be interested in any untoward practices happening there) what are people in Sf actually being forced to do? Pay taxes?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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All jokes aside, he's probably refering to the recent proposals in SF to ban smoking in parks, ban smoking in cars if a kid is in the car, and ban smoking in a residence if your residence adjoins another or shares a common HVAC system. He has a good point: in SF where liberals are clearly in charge, they are trying to mandate their form of morality and social responsiblity, things that laws can't force on people. In other words: libs run amok isn't much better than repubs run amok. It gives us a choice:
With repubs we will slip into an Orwellian 1984 type of society.
With libs we well evolve into a Huxleian Brave New World type of society.
Either way the end is the same: the erosion of the very principles that have advanced humanity, and the crushing of free will and the American maverick spirit. I think it stinks either way. So fuck it, I'm gonna go watch FOX news now and find out how I should feel about some international stuff and Lindsay Lohan's dad gettin out of prison. YAY BREAD AND CIRCUS!!!! BAAAAAAAHHHH (says the sheep)!
Excessive drinking tonight aside, too much of either party's shit is not good for our country and will eventually bring about our fall, from the inside out, as it did the Romans before us. And then I won't be able to skydive and will be very pissed.

Also: Write your congressman and senators, say no to the new FAA funding bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blue ones to all ya'll

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[skydyvr 0]

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Hmm, are you saying that you will be physically escorted from the premises if you ask to hear about opportunities to join the military? Or were you just using hyperbole and actually only meant that military recruiters aren't allowed in SF high schools?

Not long ago, military recruiters were allowed into high schools in San Fran, and they still are at most high schools across the nation. This has been a long standing tradition with all types of recruiters (not just military) for a long time.

Now, however, parents and students who'd like to explore military options after high school are forced off campus to get the info and/or sign up. This is different than it was, not long ago.

Do you think perhaps the San Fran local government is trying to force their anti-military stance upon all residents whether they agree or not? I do -- after all, if a kid is not oriented towards the military (or gayness, or chess playing), all he or she has to do is walk right on by the recruiter's office, right? Then why remove the choice for any of these, unless you are forcing an agenda.

Our difference of opinion is with usage of the word force. I maintain my usage of the word on this, as well as with numerous other more significant liberal agendas out there (and conservative).

Do you disagree? Is there not a forcing of beliefs all around?

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He has a good point

Why yes . . . yes I do!

Thanks for phrasing my argument better than I am able.

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[georgerussia 0]

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All jokes aside, he's probably refering to the recent proposals in SF to ban smoking in parks, ban smoking in cars if a kid is in the car, and ban smoking in a residence if your residence adjoins another or shares a common HVAC system.

I'd like to repeat my original question to make it clear: "It matters whether do you want to force others to act according to your beliefs."

This one is clearly not a kind of example which would fall under this definition. It is not a belief that smoking is harmful for others who do not smoke; there is medical studies and evidence available.

If they banned eating meat during Lent, this would be the case. But they didn't.

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He has a good point: in SF where liberals are clearly in charge, they are trying to mandate their form of morality and social responsiblity, things that laws can't force on people.

I fail to see any "morality" case here. This would be a morality case if they banned eating beef in Silicon Valley on basis that there is a lot of people from India, and the cow in India is a holy animal. But again they didn't.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Not long ago, military recruiters were allowed into high schools in San Fran, and they still are at most high schools across the nation.

Not long ago it was prestigious to have slaves. It is still prestigious in same places of the Earth.

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Do you think perhaps the San Fran local government is trying to force their anti-military stance upon all residents whether they agree or not?

Yes, in the same way that banning profanity in schools is attacking your free speech rights.
Schools do have a lot of restrictions. The list of clothes my daughter is not allowed to wear in school takes a page. But they are not based on beliefs.

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Our difference of opinion is with usage of the word force.

No. Our difference of opinion is with usage of the phrase "according to your/their beliefs".

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[skydyvr 0]

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The list of clothes my daughter is not allowed to wear in school takes a page. But they are not based on beliefs.

Your clothing and profanity arguments bear no similarity to a city council kicking recruiters off-campus because they are anti-military and don't want your kids exposed to it. Please explain.

The slave argument is little better -- aren't you glad those pesky southern slave owners were eventually forced to free 'em up?

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[idrankwhat 0]

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Ok so I've been doing some thinking recently and heres the thing... I think I might be a Republican

From your list I don't think you're a "Republican" or a "conservative" or a "Democrat". You sound more like an independent who is struggling to assign an identity to your beliefs. God and Guns don't "belong" to the R's, they just want you to think that. "Conservatives" nowadays means only one thing, you have to be against abortion and you have to be pro-Republican President regardless of their behavior. The latter is just a case of having your team's logo in the top slot, nothing to do with ideology. You also have to hate "Dems", whoever they are, regardless of whether or not they're pushing a traditionally Republican agenda like fiscal responsibility, smaller and less intrusive federal government, and anti-nation building sentiment. Don't worry about the label. It's really meaningless so I wouldn't worry about it unless you're looking to belong to what is essentially a club.


P.S. On the CO2 issue, I don't know what else to tell you. What you believe is your decision. I have a tendency to think that dumping millions of years worth of land-locked carbon into the atmosphere over the course of a hundred years might contribute significantly to global warming. Think of a large estuary. Sure, salinities change annually depending on tides and drought. It's a natural event. But if you dug up millions of cubic meters of salt from the bonneville salt flats and dumped it into the Chesapeake Bay, would that devastating salinity change be a "natural" occurrence?

[jakee 1,255]

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Do you think perhaps the San Fran local government is trying to force their anti-military stance upon all residents whether they agree or not?

No. There were never any military recruiters at my high school. When I was interested in careers in the military I joined my local cadets group and went to see the recruiting office in town. Now seriously, if someone is too fucking lazy to find and walk through the door of their local recruiting office then how the fuck are they going to survive in the military?

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Now, however, parents and students who'd like to explore military options after high school are forced off campus to get the info and/or sign up. This is different than it was, not long ago.

yeah? Just like students who want to be garbage men, police men, accountants, investment bankers, lifeguards, skydiving instructors or big game fishermen are forced off campus I shouldn't wonder.

Your use of the word 'force' is meaningless propoganda.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Skyrad 0]

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Philosophically, do you tend to favor Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative?

These days I don't think theres much of a difference.

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Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Skyrad 0]

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Philosophically, do you tend to favor Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative?

British parties have a philosophy?!?! News to me!

Anyhow, Skyrad, I'd say as long as you're on this side of the Atlantic, the deciding question is what you think of the Queen. If you're a fan, you might just be the first Republico-Monarchist!

Maybe I am!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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I love this one. Then, pre tell, how is it that 17, yes 17 bills have not made it through congress re: the troop build-up plan from the President?

Since when do politicians accurately represent the wishes of their constituents? A very good example - the majority of Americans do not want abortion abolished, yet we continue to see attempts to reduce and/or eliminate a woman's right to get one.

Politicians say what they need to say to get elected; then immediately set about imposing their personal values on the public.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[georgerussia 0]

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Your clothing and profanity arguments bear no similarity to a city council kicking recruiters off-campus because they are anti-military and don't want your kids exposed to it. Please explain.

This is exactly the same case, like having punishment for profanity violates your Free Speech rights.
Who, and based on what, said that military rectuiters must be allowed in schools? What about police rectuiters? Fire fighters? Street cleaners? Should we allow everybody to recruit in schools, or it is better and more productive to allow nobody?

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[sundevil777 93]

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>Not long ago, military recruiters were allowed into high schools in San >Fran, and they still are at most high schools across the nation.

Not long ago it was prestigious to have slaves. It is still prestigious in same places of the Earth.

Are you competing with Billvon for the title of crappiest analogies? That was a whopper!

It is within the rights of S.F. to deny military recruiters in high schools. I think it is also appropriate for the federal government to withhold funding.

Welcome Skyrad!

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[skydyvr 0]

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There were never any military recruiters at my high school. When I was interested in careers in the military I joined my local cadets group and went to see the recruiting office in town.

Then why did the SF city council ban them?

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[georgerussia 0]

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Then why did the SF city council ban them?

Why did they ban smoking in school? Nobody smoked in my school anyway.

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Are you competing with Billvon for the title of crappiest analogies?

If someone brings a crappy analogy, the best way to show it is usually bring another, very similar analogy. You consider it crappy because the original one was crappy as well.

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[jakee 1,255]

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There were never any military recruiters at my high school. When I was interested in careers in the military I joined my local cadets group and went to see the recruiting office in town.

Then why did the SF city council ban them?

Why not?

Maybe they want to make sure that only kids with some tiny degree of initiative or motivation join the military. Lets face it, anyone who gives up just because they couldn't see a recruiter on campus would probably make a crap soldier.

Your accusation that SF is actively stopping kids from getting info about military careers just because recruiters aren't on campus is so weak.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Maybe they want to make sure that only kids with some tiny degree of initiative or motivation join the military. Lets face it, anyone who gives up just because they couldn't see a recruiter on campus would probably make a crap soldier.

I suppose it would have that effect, but no way is that their 'reason' for doing it. As a previous president once said, they "loath" the military.

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Your accusation that SF is actively stopping kids from getting info about military careers just because recruiters aren't on campus is so weak.

I agree, but S.F.'s banning military recruiters from being on campus is a political statement, when they should be focusing on education instead of showing they're more anti-military/anti-war than everyone else.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[jakee 1,255]

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I agree, but S.F.'s banning military recruiters from being on campus is a political statement, when they should be focusing on education instead of showing they're more anti-military/anti-war than everyone else.

Really, lets take a look at the following statement.

"Removing superfluous distractions from the campus evironment will help schools focus on education." Agree or disagree?

People seem to be under the impression that by removing recruiters from campus SF is materially preventing students from getting information about military careers. Thats just shrill hyperbole.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[sundevil777 93]

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"Removing superfluous distractions from the campus evironment will help schools focus on education." Agree or disagree?

I agree, to the very, very small extent that having a military recruiter on campus is a distraction. They don't have to make presentations to classes, no need for them to be any burden, or distraction besides a small office and being noticeable in their uniform, just like the cops that spend all day at high schools are noticeable.

Your implication that S.F. banned them so that they could focus on education is shrill hyperbole, and wallows in a vast sea of lameness.

As I said before, banning recruiters is within their jurisdiction, and withholding federal funding is within the jurisdiction of the federal government.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[jakee 1,255]

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Your implication that S.F. banned them so that they could focus on education is shrill hyperbole, and wallows in a vast sea of lameness.

If that is what I had implied then yeah, it would have been lame. All I was doing was responding to the assertion that banning recruiters means that SF isn't focussing on education.

To make myself clear - I don't give a shit if schools have recruiters on campus or not. It just doesn't matter to me. What I do disagree with is the assertion that banning recruiters from campus is somehow 'forcing' students to act in a peacenik, hippy, liberal manner, or indeed 'forcing' them to do anything at all.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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In the U.S. one is considered a republican if he or she is for small government[minimal involvement of the gov. in our lives], lower taxes, right to bear arms[militia of the people], right to life[life is sacred],right to be as prosperous as one wants to be, and a strong military to protect our way of life.The democratic philosophy is more like socialism, big gov., higher taxes,take away guns[people dont kill people,guns do],abortion is morally OK, spread the wealth[be lazy and we will give it to you], and small, weak military[man is basically good] hope this helps! BlueSkies