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QuoteQuoteWhoa there. You think just because you hear a "excerpt" of a HUD tape that they " did not" receive their order from the ground? I have to disagree.
Everyone heard about...what...20 seconds of HUD tape......
Actually, the recording I heard was about 15 minutes long. It ends right after one of the pilots reports being out of tape. During the recording, you can hear one of the pilots report the targets, the two pilots try to ID them, and ground saying he doesn't know what they are but there are no friendlies there. They are ID'd right after the second strafe. It's entirely possible that there was more discussion that I didn't hear, but what I did hear didn't seem to be a partial excerpt...it formed a pretty clear picture of how it went down. CNN was only broadcasting a short, edited version, but The Sun's version seemed to be complete.
Blues,
Dave
Yes I agree with you that the pilots tried to ID the targets. Matter of fact, asked for confirmation. Ground relayed no friendlies in the area. About covers it.
unformed 0
QuoteSgt Steven Roberts, 33, from Shipley, West Yorkshire, was shot dead in a "friendly fire" incident as he manned a checkpoint in March 2003.
An Army Board of Inquiry into his death found that the pistol he tried to shoot the Iraqi with failed and he was shot by a comrade in a tank who was trying to protect him but did not know his high-powered machine gun was inaccurate at short range.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/6190337.stm
So can you now confirm that your head is securely stuck in sand?
So, from this site we've got Matty Hull, David Rhys Williams, and Kevin Barry Main that were killed in the jet crash, due to American forces.
There's David Jeffrey Clark and Stephen John Allbutt killed by another British tank. Stephen Mark Williams, killed by a fellow British soldier.
So, each side has killed 3 British soldiers. Given that the US has supplied 250,000 soldiers, and the UK has supplied 45,000, you're not doing too hot in comparison. source
Of course, it's the Americans' fault.
Yep.
unformed 0
QuoteFusilier Kelan Turrington, who was 18 when he died, was described by the Army as a victim of an Iraqi ambush during an assault on a trench in April 2003.
But Andrew Walker, deputy coroner for Oxfordshire, concluded that the soldier with the 1st Battalion the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers was killed by fire from a machinegun mounted on a British tank. At the time he was the youngest British casualty of the war. Mr Walker ruled: "Fusilier Kelan Turrington was on active service in Iraq when, under orders, he entered a sector controlled by a separate British military unit.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20061020/ai_n16805868
So now we've got British: 4, US: 3.
You're comparing the 3 soldiers each is bullshit, How many Americans have Americans killed? Its not 3.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
unformed 0
QuoteOne of those bringing a legal claim is Albert Thompson, 37, a former colour sergeant in the Royal Highland Fusiliers, who lost a leg after being accidentally shot by a colleague near Basra in 2003. He received 11 bullets in the leg and his hand' he spent 100 days in hospital and the left leg was amputated above the knee.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060123/ai_n16016970
And just to confirm that the bullet did in fact come from a British bullet.
QuoteSgt Albert Thomson hit by bullets fired accidentally by a British Warrior vehicle as he walked in front of it outside the town of Az Zubayr. He lost a leg.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=146192006
dorbie 0
I don't think the reveted vehicles are the same group they attacked.
My take on this was they were spotting for artillery rounds or asking for marker rounds on a group of reveted (that's stationary dug in behind earth berms) vehicles and 36 kept drawing attention to a different group while 35 was focusing on the original task. This caused some confusion about specific locations especially w.r.t. the FAC, and irritated 35.
In other places there's clear reference to the targets as moving, or coming up on a village, those can't be reveted.
Two groups and this was part of the communication problem.
unformed 0
QuoteWhy do people always have to turn shitty? Is it a personal attack? Do you feel threatened?
You're comparing the 3 soldiers each is bullshit, How many Americans have Americans killed? Its not 3.
Well being that everyone, including you, is getting on the anti-American bandwagon, here your proof that it's not just Americans.
It's fucking war. Mistakes happen, and people die.
We all talk about how, in skydiving, even when everything is done right, we can still die. War is much more dangerous than skydiving, yet we expect no lives to be accidentally lost.
Yeah, okay.
Americans Killing Americans - ?
Your little tally of America 3 and Britain 4 is bullshit. You're comparing two differant types of blue on blue.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
dorbie 0
QuoteQuoteWhy do people always have to turn shitty? Is it a personal attack? Do you feel threatened?
You're comparing the 3 soldiers each is bullshit, How many Americans have Americans killed? Its not 3.
Well being that everyone, including you, is getting on the anti-American bandwagon, here your proof that it's not just Americans.
It's fucking war. Mistakes happen, and people die.
We all talk about how, in skydiving, even when everything is done right, we can still die. War is much more dangerous than skydiving, yet we expect no lives to be accidentally lost.
Yeah, okay.
Unfortunately there can be no tally of lives saved by American close air support. It massively outweighs the FF incidents and makes advances possible that otherwise wouldn't be.
Boo hoo everybody hates us. Get over it.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
Andy is not anti American...he likes American hotties!!!
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
SkyChimp 0
QuoteQuoteI would like to know on how you have confirmed facts that England, and other countries never accidently kill each other due to friendly fire, Just America?
Maybe my head is in the sand here but i'll say again. We have evidence of Americans killing Brits, its right here. Do you have evidence of Brits killing Americans? If so post it.
Here is the proof that the British have made the same stupid mistake. Forget about the Brits killing American troops, in this British news article we have proof that the British ROASTED their own countrymen by mistake. Certainly you cannot deny the evidence that England has made the same friendly fire mistake. Now if you want to argue that they have managed to not kill allied forces from other countries, fine. However, you cannot argue that they haven''t made a friendly fire mistake at all. They killed their own.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,922141,00.html
Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!
DZJ 0
Pointing fingers and making remarks like "So, each side has killed 3 British soldiers. Given that the US has supplied 250,000 soldiers, and the UK has supplied 45,000, you're not doing too hot in comparison." is incredibly unhelpful. What is this, a competitive sport? A lets-see-who-can-kill-more-friendlies contest? A force:fuck-up ratio?
What I think our American friends (and I do count you as friends) need to know, is that the vast majority of Britons are glad to have you as allies, and realise that a certain amount of fratricide is inevitable in large-scale operations. What galls us, however, is that American authorities have at times seemed unwilling to share information about these incidents. It is disgraceful that this cockpit video should have come to light through a leak to a tabloid paper, and was not offered openly to the coroner. It is this apparent indifference to the feelings of an ally and friend that does much more damage to Anglo-American relations than the tragedy of friendly fire deaths on the battlefield, in my opinion.
Im not saying we dont kill our own, its war and it happens.
But it does ring alarm bells when i havnt heard of an American being killed by a Brit in this war, maybe im wrong i dont know.
People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.
Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.
www.thesun.co.uk/artic...31,00.html
As you'll see it was approx 5 mins between the orange panel being first noted and the attack commencing:
1st time orange panels noted:
2nd time:
3rd time:
1339.09 POPOV36:
They’ve got something orange on top of them. 1340.13 POPOV36:
OK, well they got orange rockets on them.
1340.17 POPOV35:
Orange rockets?
1340.17 POPOV36:
Yeah, I think so.
1340.18 POPOV35:
Let me look.
1341.24 POPOV36:
OK, do you see the orange things on top of them?
1341.37 POPOV36:
POPOV 36 is rolling in.
Nick
Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW!
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