pirana 0 #26 December 12, 2006 QuoteI have history a history with government officials back in Colorado which make me totally disagree with the system as a whole...lobbyists, bills, and how decisions are made....all of it makes me sick to my stomach. After what I've seen first hand..makes me realize it's about $$$$$ and that my vote doesn't count. Agree very heartily. What's the saying about laws and hot dogs? Once you see either one being made, . . . I too was close to lobbying and lawmaking efforts for a few years. Disgusting process, loaded with deceipt, manipulation, and just about every other unsavory behavior there is. Met a few of them up close. I will give you that some of them may be nice people; but when they are in politician mode, they are all slippery, slimey, and despicable. Not to mention that the result of the favor-trading, influence-peddling, power-mongering process we call legislating is almost always at best a patchwork of crap." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #27 December 12, 2006 QuoteShe would have a great chance of winning the nomination, but I will go on record right this minute as saying that she is UNELECTABLE and therefore is the worst possible choice in my mind. Agree, she is the epitome of a career politician. Her outright whorish behavior in her run to her current seat will never fly in a national campaign." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #28 December 12, 2006 Obama is already tied to a well known felon to be and has profited immensely, (free real estate and 300k reduction on a home.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #29 December 12, 2006 p.s. - Did meet her years back (during her husband's administration) at a symposium on health care financing when she was making the rounds and pushing a national plan. She is so packaged and put on it hard to say what she is really like. I did not detect one iota of sincerity. She is like watching a living commercial." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #30 December 12, 2006 QuoteObama is already tied to a well known felon to be and has profited immensely, (free real estate and 300k reduction on a home.) I think the biggest concern for Mr. Obama will be staying alive. A black person just getting this close to being a serious contender has got to already have the radically rascist elements very upset. If he makes a serious run, I put the odds at 3-2 against for him making it thru the primaries without an assassination attempt." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 December 12, 2006 Quotep.s. - Did meet her years back (during her husband's administration) at a symposium on health care financing when she was making the rounds and pushing a national plan. She is so packaged and put on it hard to say what she is really like. I did not detect one iota of sincerity. She is like watching a living commercial. executive experience - she was given one executive role in her husband's administration (the health care fiasco was the equivalent of a cabinet appointment) and she absolutely tank the whole effort, showed no ability to speak to opponents from their perspective, etc like her or not, she can't do the job, can't work bi-partisan she's all show and no substance. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hymandd732 0 #32 December 12, 2006 Senator Clinton has zero chance of being elected president. It is a gift to the Republicans if she is nominated.Freefall Hall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #33 December 12, 2006 QuoteObama - V.P. yes, Pres. no Why? Race? Lack of experience? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #34 December 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteObama - V.P. yes, Pres. no Why? Race? Lack of experience? You are correct. Lack of experience is one weakness of his, but combined with the race issue . . . sad to say, the country simply isn't -quite- ready for that combination. However, with 8 years of V.P. under his belt though -- holy poo, you COULD be looking at the first black U.S. President. Think long term and it works out really well. BTW, I -do- think the country is ready for a black President. It just has to be the right guy. Powell could have pulled it off at a certain point in his career.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #35 December 12, 2006 QuotePowell could have pulled it off at a certain point in his career. I'm not sure Powell couldn't pull it off in 2008, depending on how he is able to (for lack of a better term) spin his UN presentation during the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with that presentation, he has the appearance of being the only "good guy" in the current administration, IMO.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #36 December 12, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure Powell couldn't pull it off in 2008, depending on how he is able to (for lack of a better term) spin his UN presentation during the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with that presentation, he has the appearance of being the only "good guy" in the current administration, IMO. Except he has stated categorically that he's not interested in the job.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #37 December 12, 2006 QuoteExcept he has stated categorically that he's not interested in the job. IMO, that's actually an additional qualification, but I understand your point. We are very unlikely to see Gen. Powell in the Oval Office.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 December 12, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure Powell couldn't pull it off in 2008, depending on how he is able to (for lack of a better term) spin his UN presentation during the run up to the Iraq invasion. Even with that presentation, he has the appearance of being the only "good guy" in the current administration, IMO. I think his treatment and total disallusion with his former employers will keep him out of politics from here on out. That is the sad thing, he is a good man and he was shown so much disrespect by those in the administration... the same kind of disrespect that was shown to John McCain during the primaries by Karl Rove and crew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #39 December 12, 2006 QuoteI think his treatment and total disallusion with his former employers will keep him out of politics from here on out. That is the sad thing, he is a good man and he was shown so much disrespect by those in the administration... the same kind of disrespect that was shown to John McCain during the primaries by Karl Rove and crew. Was the disrespect you speak of before or after he reportedly referred to neocons within the Bush administration as "fucking crazies"? You say he's a good man, but I'd bet you were calling him "a fucking neo-con" back in March '03. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 December 12, 2006 Well You can go back and search.... its all right there for you to find....have fun. Ihave a really bad habit of standing by anything I said.. then and now... AS OPPOSED to your FLIP FLOPPERS in the administration.... and the positions of some of the right wing posters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #41 December 12, 2006 QuoteShe is so packaged and put on it hard to say what she is really like. I did not detect one iota of sincerity. She is like watching a living commercial. Well, she's got one political party buffaloed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #42 December 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe is so packaged and put on it hard to say what she is really like. I did not detect one iota of sincerity. She is like watching a living commercial. Well, she's got one political party buffaloed. That's kind of like the Dallas Cowboys. Nobody was really fooled. They knew there were issues. Winning teams get a lot more lattitude. I hope the team has continued their weight training while in prison. We need more 300 lb ex-cons who can bench 400 lbs and have no marketable job skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 December 13, 2006 Quote Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy and agree with a lot of what he has to say, but anyone that closely associated with the Clinton Administration is, in my opinion, just not going to be electable. Doesn't matter if they weren't even involved in any of the "scandal", it's just not gonna happen. ?? Were it permitted, Clinton is more electable than any name floated by either party. And in a real election of him vs McCain, I don't think Diebold could lose enough ballots to give the GOP the win. Gore, otoh, has lost too many times and has to be content with a new path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livetofall 0 #44 December 13, 2006 Shes perfect for the Socialist States of America. Health care for anyone standing on US ground UN desires of guns only for miltary and police. And hey dont worry about those bread lines because any opposition of building a Walmart in your neighborhood will be federally overrruledwww.911missinglinks.com the definitive truth of 9/11..the who and why, not how You can handle the TRUTH www.theforbiddentruth.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 December 13, 2006 QuoteShes perfect for the Socialist States of America. Health care for anyone standing on US ground UN desires of guns only for miltary and police. And hey dont worry about those bread lines because any opposition of building a Walmart in your neighborhood will be federally overrruled Why will they need the bread lines? Everyone will be on the dole... McD's and Playstations for all!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
