LisaM 0 #1 December 7, 2006 It's by Go Fish. Anyone hear this song? It's about how PC the world is today and how you can't change what Christmas is about. I already bought the song off ITunes. http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=cd77221&event=1023SPF#curr ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #2 December 7, 2006 If you want christmas to only be based on the christian tradition then you'd better scrap your trees, your decorations, your feasting, your gift giving and the whole idea of celebrating - 'cos thats pagan baby!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #3 December 7, 2006 I am not cut ot for SC.... I have no decent reply. Other than Merry Christmas! ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #4 December 7, 2006 Now someone needs to post a link to the South Park "Merry f&*king Christmas" song. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #5 December 7, 2006 QuoteIf you want christmas to only be based on the christian tradition then you'd better scrap your trees, your decorations, your feasting, your gift giving and the whole idea of celebrating - 'cos thats pagan baby! So, decorated trees, giving gifts, family gatherings aren't Christmas traditions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 December 7, 2006 It's Not Christmas yet (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #7 December 7, 2006 QuoteI am not cut ot for SC.... I have no decent reply. Other than Merry Christmas! And merry Christmas to you tooDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #8 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf you want christmas to only be based on the christian tradition then you'd better scrap your trees, your decorations, your feasting, your gift giving and the whole idea of celebrating - 'cos thats pagan baby! So, decorated trees, giving gifts, family gatherings aren't Christmas traditions? Nope. they are traditions from the various pagan winter soltice festivals that were originally banned but (bowing to popular pressure) eventually co-opted by the church. (With the possible exception of the tree. Don't know where that came from)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #9 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you want christmas to only be based on the christian tradition then you'd better scrap your trees, your decorations, your feasting, your gift giving and the whole idea of celebrating - 'cos thats pagan baby! So, decorated trees, giving gifts, family gatherings aren't Christmas traditions? Nope. they are traditions from the various pagan winter soltice festivals that were originally banned but (bowing to popular pressure) eventually co-opted by the church. (With the possible exception of the tree. Don't know where that came from) So, since some of these traditions originated from other sources, Christians have no right to now consider them their own? Seems like a peculiar definition of tradition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #10 December 7, 2006 It's the Christmas season!!! ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #11 December 7, 2006 QuoteSo, since some of these traditions originated from other sources, Christians have no right to now consider them their own? Seems like a peculiar definition of tradition. They can consider them their own. They should not, however, consider these thing exclusive to Christianity, or even originally Christian.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #12 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, since some of these traditions originated from other sources, Christians have no right to now consider them their own? Seems like a peculiar definition of tradition. They can consider them their own. They should not, however, consider these thing exclusive to Christianity, or even originally Christian. True, And quite different from Jakee's 1st post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #13 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo, since some of these traditions originated from other sources, Christians have no right to now consider them their own? Seems like a peculiar definition of tradition. They can consider them their own. They should not, however, consider these thing exclusive to Christianity, or even originally Christian. True, And quite different from Jakee's 1st post. Call it mildly reactionary. Also, Lisa's first post says "you can't change what Christmas is about." If the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. These things do not stem from Christianity.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #14 December 7, 2006 QuoteIf the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. What was Christmas about for the early church? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,427 #15 December 7, 2006 >So, since some of these traditions originated from other >sources, Christians have no right to now consider them their own? That's no problem at all - we can co-opt any traditions we want. In return, we should be tolerant when other people co-opt Christmas in ways _they_ want, rather than thinking there is a "war on christmas" or other such nonsense. (Not saying you think that; I just hear that a lot lately.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #16 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. What was Christmas about for the early church? They didn't really have it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #17 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. What was Christmas about for the early church? They didn't really have it. All traditions have a genesis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #18 December 7, 2006 QuoteWith the possible exception of the tree. Don't know where that came from Germanic tribes used to hang sacrifices from trees to celebrate Yule... hence the whole tree decorating malarkey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #19 December 7, 2006 I think what Jakee meant was the early Christians didn't celebrate the birth of Christ per say. he is right. They were far more interested in celebrating his resurrection. Celebrations of Christ's birth came much later in the history of the church. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 December 7, 2006 You really should do some research on the history of Christmas and December 25. Most historians (secular and regligous) that have researched it tend to agree that Christ was born sometime around September, according to information available from secular texts and the bible. Christmas came about on December 25th as an attempt for the church to appease local pegan traditions and make the forced transistion to Christianity easier for local communities. There, that's the cliff notes version, its much more detailed then that, so you can go read the rest of it somewhere if you wish. For me, I do consider myself a Christian, but I don't get wrapped up in seperating secular and christian christmas. I don't mind Santa, I don't mind the trees, the songs...well, I mind the songs after the first week of play on the radio. I really enjoy the entire American version of Christmas. It brings back really good memories for me from childhood, it excites me about having a family and having little kids during Christmas time. All in all its a feel good holiday that also helps boost our national economy.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #21 December 7, 2006 QuoteI think what Jakee meant was the early Christians didn't celebrate the birth of Christ per say. He is right. Thanks. Merry Christmas dude@Dave QuoteI really enjoy the entire American version of Christmas. It brings back really good memories for me from childhood, it excites me about having a family and having little kids during Christmas time. All in all its a feel good holiday that also helps boost our national economy. How big is Christmas in Yankland these days? Is it overshadowed by Thanksgiving or is Christmas the main holiday/ festive time?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 December 7, 2006 QuoteHow big is Christmas in Yankland these days? Is it overshadowed by Thanksgiving or is Christmas the main holiday/ festive time? Hell if I know, I'm not a yankee. Ok, seriously, its still THE holiday. It'll be a long time until that's overshadowed by Thanksgiving, if that could ever happen.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,427 #23 December 7, 2006 >How big is Christmas in Yankland these days? Absolutely huge. We start seeing christmas trees in October now. Heck, Wal-Mart started selling christmas stuff Sept 20th this year. It's the biggest shopping event of the year, and the more decorations/christmas music/silly hats they use, the more money they make (at least that's the theory.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #24 December 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. What was Christmas about for the early church? Trying not to be the Christmas feast for the Lions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #25 December 7, 2006 <---- munching on popcorn ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
