narcimund 0 #626 January 3, 2006 QuoteWell am listening...maybe you can enlighten me to your idea of "Lifestyle" Sure. Here's my lifestyle: I have a 7 year long monogamous, loving, committed relationship. We tried to get married to enjoy the legal benefits and responsibilities, but the government quashed that. We drink good wines and love to have people over for dinner or making music. We do sports like scuba diving, hiking, boating, and (of course) parachute-related activities. We hope to travel more this year and just enjoyed a couple of short trips during Christmas. We'd like to go back to Asia because exploring the food was so much fun last time. We have a cat who loves to be petted while she eats. That's about it. Pretty straightforward lifestyle, huh? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #627 January 3, 2006 QuoteWell am listening...maybe you can enlighten me to your idea of "Lifestyle" Well...when most people have expressed their opinion or understanding of the gay "lifestyle" to me it usually includes some aspect of fetish sexuality like bondage or leather. They seem to have this mental image of homosexuals going home, changing into their leather straps, hauling out the sex toys, and going at it all night long. Fetish sexuality is just as common in heterosexuals. If you want to call that a "lifestyle" fine.. if people organize their lives around it I think that's a fair enough usage. But the fact is that most homosexuals lead boring lives the same as the rest of the working, parenting, tax-paying community. There is probably a slightly higher percentage of homosexuals with more disposable income because child rearing isn't as common. Take away all the exotic stuff that happens on both sides of the fence and it's just another person doing the same, exact things anyone else does.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #628 January 3, 2006 I used to have a trainer who was openly gay (obviously very rare in a sport that relies on so much body contact and performed by mostly young guys in their early and overly defensive early 20s) who would always explain grabbing certain holds or 'set-ups' as 'Just reach in there like you're out on a date...'. Really funny stuff to hear just before you're put in a position that you might conceivably die trying. Wrestling tends to be safe AFTER you've perfected the move, its getting it perfect that makes it so much fun. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #629 January 3, 2006 QuoteQuote>I'm not sure what oiled, semi-naked musclemen grabbing each other >and pretending to fight has to do with homoerotic behavior. I know! Not a pink curtain or latte in sight. Just manly men touching each other. Like movies about gladiators. Or a turkish prison. I sat next to Leslie Nielsen on a flight from Dallas to Phoenix last year. He had me in stitches the whole time. Once we were off the plane, I discovered he travels w/ a little fart-maker machine thingy in his pocket... as we were walking up the terminal, with each step he'd activate the fart noises. It was freakin hilarious. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #630 January 3, 2006 Thank God you don't have kids (I'm assuming you don't because I've never heard you mention any). They might grow up with open, cultured attitudes after exposure to that horrible environment. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #631 January 3, 2006 QuoteIn that manner you are the same as Bill Cole. I don't know if this is a personal attack on me or Bill Cole. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #632 January 3, 2006 Quote They seem to have this mental image of homosexuals going home, changing into their leather straps, hauling out the sex toys, and going at it all night long. Wait a second........ Oh shit. I guess they were lying about the dress code......anyone need a gimp suit in small size? I'm sure the stains will steam clean out. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #633 January 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo thefire.org exists in a vacuum? No, but neither does the Westboro Baptist Church. Just because a group of people share an opinion doesn't mean the opinion is valid (or not valid). It just means that they share an opinion. The fact that you agree with FIRE does not make the opinion fact. I posted before I added this thought: Using your argument, if you can agree that a lot of people have come to conclusion that homosexuality isn't "bad" , then you have to accept that homosexuality isn't "bad" as a fact, eh? Frankly, I don't care what people do in their bedrooms. It's when other people are forced to be tolerant, "OR ELSE", that I object. There's another aspect that I always notice is carefully overlooked. A lot of comparisons are made to racism or other forms of discrimination, but these are largely based upon appearance, not conduct. The t-shirts that read "Nobody Knows I'm Gay" says it all - it's about conduct. I think there is a difference. Sheesh. Libs want to tell you what to do (and how to think) in the office. Cons want to tell you what to do in your home."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #634 January 3, 2006 QuoteIt's when other people are forced to be tolerant, "OR ELSE", that I object. To be tolerant and to agree are not the same. No one wants to force you to agree. Your comparrison to racism speaks to the issue of forcing tolerance. Do you think it's wrong that we force tolerance of other races? QuoteThere's another aspect that I always notice is carefully overlooked. A lot of comparisons are made to racism or other forms of discrimination, but these are largely based upon appearance, not conduct. The t-shirts that read "Nobody Knows I'm Gay" says it all - it's about conduct. I think there is a difference. You're saying that discrimination against gays is different and acceptable because homosexuality is a conduct and has nothing to do with appearance? Neither of those things are true.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #635 January 3, 2006 >It's when other people are forced to be tolerant, "OR ELSE", that I object. People are only forced to be tolerant to the degree that you can't beat the crap out of someone you dislike, or deny them rights based solely on their gender/race/preference. You can hate gays/blacks/women/(insert any group you like here) with impunity - as long as you don't violate their rights, or anyone else's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #636 January 3, 2006 Quote>It's when other people are forced to be tolerant, "OR ELSE", that I object. People are only forced to be tolerant to the degree that you can't beat the crap out of someone you dislike, or deny them rights based solely on their gender/race/preference. You can hate gays/blacks/women/(insert any group you like here) with impunity - as long as you don't violate their rights, or anyone else's. In a perfect world, you'd be right. But I've been forced to sit through a lot of PC baloney at school and at work. That infringes on MY rights - the right to be left alone, and not be force-fed with a lot of political indoctrination that I strongly disagree with (and to the nay-sayers: I don't want a lot of rah-rah political crap of any kind). Or do I forfeit those rights when I leave my home, go out in public, and participate in society?"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #637 January 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's when other people are forced to be tolerant, "OR ELSE", that I object. To be tolerant and to agree are not the same. No one wants to force you to agree. Your comparrison to racism speaks to the issue of forcing tolerance. Do you think it's wrong that we force tolerance of other races? Yes. In a free society, I should be free to associate with whomever I choose, and not associate with those I wish to have nothing to do with. But I guess to socialists and liberals, tolerance (as with justice, quoth Mao) comes from the end of a gun."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #638 January 3, 2006 >But I've been forced to sit through a lot of PC baloney at school and at work. Like what? Sexual discrimination courses? So did I; part of being an interviewer. Many companies do that so they don't get sued. >That infringes on MY rights - the right to be left alone, and not be > force-fed with a lot of political indoctrination that I strongly disagree > with . . . . Sorry, you have no such rights. A while back I saw a Bill of No Rights, which went something like: (working from memory here) ARTICLE 1 - You do not have the right to not be offended. This country is based on freedom - but that means EVERYONE is free, not just you. You can say whatever you want, but THEY can say whatever they want, too. Fortunately you don't have to listen. Which is good because there are a lot of idiots out there. ARTICLE 2 -You do not have the right to be left alone in a society. Living in a free society means living with other free people, who will sometimes do things you don't like. Fortunately, we have laws that keep them from doing things to you with knives or bats, but if the crazy guy on the corner wants to tell you that he's Jesus, or your boss wants to lecture you on his flyfishing techniques, you may have to deal with them using their freedom of speech to bore you. Fortunately you don't have to listen! (See article 1.) ARTICLE 3 - You do not have the right to be happy. The US constitution guarantees the right to PURSUE happiness, but this is not the same as BEING happy. Your happiness (or lack thereof) is largely up to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #639 January 3, 2006 QuoteMany people who want to see gay marriage banned say they are doing it to 'protect marriage.' I'll take that seriously when I see them trying to ban divorce. I believe that many religious leaders would make it much harder to get divorced. I would support that also. Quote>So thefire.org exists in a vacuum? Not at all! It has plenty of supporters; lots of people want to be victims. Again, check out how popular O'Reilly's war on the "war on Christmas" was. It doesn't matter that it doesn't exist; it lets people feel like victims. And a lot of people like that. Just denying the existence of the war on Christmas doesn't make it so. You'd like that to be enough, but it isn't. Sam Donaldson of ABC news used the term 'a bunch of yahoos' to describe those that believed in the war on Christmas. If that isn't a perfect example of the liberal media's arrogant elitism, I don't know what is.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #640 January 3, 2006 QuoteJust denying the existence of the war on Christmas doesn't make it so. You'd like that to be enough, but it isn't. Talk about self-perpetuated victimhood! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #641 January 3, 2006 I think that's why two gay men slobbing each other's knobs tends to be the first type of thing the anti-gay person thinks of, as opposed to two women caressing each other lovingly.<<<<<<< Thats not true! The first thing I think of is the after sex towel. You know that SHIT contains hep.- and other forms of harmful bacteria. Then there is the SMELL, how sickning. I mean where do they wipe off, then they sleep in the sheets they defacated on. That is why it is more offensive that two women licking each other_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,454 #642 January 3, 2006 >Just denying the existence of the war on Christmas doesn't make it so. No, see, in the real world you need evidence of a "war on christmas" before anyone takes you seriously. I mean, I could claim there's a "war on engineers" and thus I should get special protection, and if anyone questioned me I could say "PROVE there isn't a war on engineers!" But that would be silly. Everyone wants to be a victim. But this time there's no evidence of it. The people who cry loudest about it are also the ones selling "holiday ornaments" and saying "happy holidays" so unless they are attacking themselves it's hard to see where the war is. People should stop wanting to be victims; leads to a lot of whining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #643 January 3, 2006 QuoteEveryone wants to be a victim. This is true. In fact, I was just sitting here wishing that I could be a victim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #644 January 3, 2006 There is a war on Engineers and it's perpetuated by marketing wonks. of course, they're stronger than us, they get to do a job which has no earthly justification whatsoever and yet refuse to remove themselves from the gene pool. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #645 January 3, 2006 QuoteThats not true! The first thing I think of is the after sex towel I swear! The anti-gay forces have some really troubled imaginations... First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,164 #646 January 3, 2006 Ya know, you don't have to participate in this thread -- then you won't have to think about the issue as much. That goes for all of the other "shove it in my face" people. It's kind of like a television -- there are many channels, and the fact that some of them have material you don't approve of doesn't mean that they have to go away. I mean, heck -- I don't really care for the fishing channel, but since its existence doesn't impact me, I'm not sure why I should care. Homosexual sex between consenting adults is sex between consenting adults. It's very different from sexual activity that includes non-consenting adults, or juveniles, from a legal and moral point of view. Without consent, it's wrong. With consent, I really don't even care if someone likes to "do it" with a white rubber ball in their mouth with a Jack-in-the-Box face on it. Why should I? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #647 January 3, 2006 That goes for all of the other "shove it in my face" people. It's kind of like a television -- there are many channels, and the fact that some of them have material you don't approve of doesn't mean that they have to go away. <<<<<<< Yes it does! Parental controls. Also the local communications company can stop broadcasting that channel if they fell/ or have received complaints. You are taking the statement I posted out of context anyway. I originally replied to a poster who stated why hetro men are grossed out by thoughts gay men and not women. I stated she was wrong. As a hetro I have a right to my opinion. If you don't like it, turn you computer off. But don't try to dictate to me what to do._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #648 January 3, 2006 QuoteIf you don't like it, turn you computer off. But don't try to dictate to me what to do Then what gives you the right to dictate what others get to watch???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #649 January 3, 2006 I swear! The anti-gay forces have some really troubled imaginations... <<<<< So wait.....you think I belong to a club, or something? How very stereotypical of you. Tell me, so we can put my troubled imaginations down...What do you do with it?_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #650 January 3, 2006 You closet Hetrosexual you! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
