ReBirth 0 #26 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn America, we don't have to defend our 'wants.' and look where thats getting you ! how many murders per year due to guns? Zero....I've never heard of the motive for murder being, "Well I had this here gun so I thought I should shoot somebody." Murder is due to murderers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #27 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteis it legal to kill an intruder in your house in america? Not in San Francisco, I'd assume. That brings up another interesting effect to this referendum. When someone uses a handgun to legally defend themself from an attacker, the police will show up to arrest both the intruder, and his intended victim. The intended victim will be considered a criminal too. How nice! So the citizens there better get a nice shotgun now for home defense, so they don't end up in jail alongside their attacker, for daring to defend themselves and their family from criminal attack. If all you want is to defend your home, surely a shotgun is the best weapon anyway. Sure. As with 1 or 2 strikes, effectively you can kill: The burglar, your wife, the dogs and the neighbour who just saw a dark shadow at your back kitchen door and wanted to warn you. That's efficiency. After the slaughter is over, you need to paint all the walls of your bedroom again. It makes a nice new design on everything around you, if about 350 little pcs of metal hit walls, persons, pets, within shortest distance. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #28 November 9, 2005 Much better to die in your bed, right? By the way....shotguns don't spray shot all over the place. For the most part the effective area isn't much larger than a fist. If you swung your fist at a burglar would you accidently hit your wife, the dog and everything around you with your fist? If any nation should have guns it should be yours. So that next time you get one of those nut jobs talking about Reichs, you can take him our yourselves and save the rest of us the trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 November 9, 2005 Quotebut i'm not sure everyody who carries a gun is actuall prepared for the aftermath of killing somebody.... its ok to shoot an attacker in the panic of being mugged, but thast going to haunt alot of people for the est of their lives I cannot say that I'm prepared to deal with the aftermath of killing an intruder into my house. However, I think there are other things for which I am less prepared: 1) Burying my dead child because I didn't want to take out the intruder first; 2) Burying my dead wife because I didn't want to take out the intruder first; 3) Visiting my injured wife in the hospital because I didn't want to take out the intruder first; 4) Visiting my injured son in the hospital because I didn't want to take out the intruder first; 5) Recovering myself in the hospital because I didn't want to take out the intruder first; I simply think that I can deal with the negative consequences of my actions a bit better tha I can deal with the negative consequences of my inaction. In terms of haunings, there are plenty of things I'd choose after the thought of killing an armed intruder. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #30 November 9, 2005 Quote how many murders per year due to guns? Most of them had it coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #31 November 9, 2005 QuoteQuote how many murders per year due to guns? Most of them had it coming. Can't wait to hear your morbidly callous tune change. Hope it's not as a result of it's striking close to home. EDIT: Spelling/grammar/blah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 November 9, 2005 PM sent (no, it wasn't a flaming paper bag of shit) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #33 November 10, 2005 QuoteMuch better to die in your bed, right? By the way....shotguns don't spray shot all over the place. For the most part the effective area isn't much larger than a fist. If you swung your fist at a burglar would you accidently hit your wife, the dog and everything around you with your fist? If any nation should have guns it should be yours. So that next time you get one of those nut jobs talking about Reichs, you can take him our yourselves and save the rest of us the trouble. Yep. I'd prefer to die in bed with my wonderful man, man I know the radius shotgun ammunition has over the various distances. I've seen results by myself. BTW: I own several and know how to handle them. Your last sentence is just BS and shows, that there are still folks having troubles with history. Holy crap, your country itself really just is facing enough troubles, watch this! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #34 November 10, 2005 Quotewhy do you want guns anyway? is it some kind of macho ego trip that none Ameicans just don't understand? Why do you want to be able to jump from planes? Why do people want to be able to BASE in Public National Parks?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #35 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuotewhy do you want guns anyway? is it some kind of macho ego trip that none Ameicans just don't understand? Why do you want to be able to jump from planes? Why do people want to be able to BASE in Public National Parks? i understand what you mean.... but guns? i just don't get it________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #36 November 10, 2005 I know. But not everyone "gets" what others do. That's what's cool about people.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #37 November 10, 2005 Quotewhy do you want guns anyway? is it some kind of macho ego trip that none Ameicans just don't understand? 1) They make cool sounds 2) They are cool machines 3) They make stuff fly apart from a distance, which is fun to watch 4) They can protect me from criminals and the government "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #38 November 10, 2005 "There are three reasons to own a gun. To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." - Krusty the Clown Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #39 November 10, 2005 Quote"There are three reasons to own a gun. To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." - Krusty the Clown when Prince Charles becomes king, i think even i'll buy a gun ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #40 November 10, 2005 Tell me - did the gun shoot everyone at Dunblane or was the sonofabitch wielding it? Guns do not kill people. People kill other people using guns - and knifes, clubs, rocks, baseball bats, cars trucks, axes, sticks, etc. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #41 November 10, 2005 Don't forget tossing dwarves at them... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites artistcalledian 0 #42 November 10, 2005 QuoteTell me - did the gun shoot everyone at Dunblane or was the sonofabitch wielding it? Guns do not kill people. People kill other people using guns - and knifes, clubs, rocks, baseball bats, cars trucks, axes, sticks, etc. ahhh, Thomas Hamilton i think you'll find he was a member of the local gun club.... nice to know that those responsible people at the gun clubs can be trusted________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,390 #43 November 10, 2005 Quotegood points, but i'm not sure everyody who carries a gun is actuall prepared for the aftermath of killing somebody.... its ok to shoot an attacker in the panic of being mugged, but thast going to haunt alot of people for the est of their lives I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #44 November 10, 2005 Like any segment of society, members of gun clubs will have their bad apples/turds/assholes/etc. Now, answer my question please. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #45 November 10, 2005 Dwarf tossing...another part of the international conspiracy to keep the short man down...supported in secret by the NBA... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #46 November 10, 2005 Quote Yep. I'd prefer to die in bed with my wonderful man, man Like my grandmother said, "When you go out, you little shit, you better be at full throttle and out of ammo".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikieB 0 #47 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn America, we don't have to defend our 'wants.' and look where thats getting you ! how many murders per year due to guns? more per year in areas where guns are not allowed. Yes if youre going strictly for home defense a shotgun is a good choice...with bird shot. hands guns can travel farther that you intend...especially if someone else lives in another room. A shotgun with bird shot will become non lethal in less distance than a bullet will.Quoteconfucious say: he who stands on top of toilet gets high on pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwtom 0 #48 November 10, 2005 Quote Now lets examine the reverse side. Switzerland. Nice European country. Safe. Is it just a coincidence that nearly every citizen there possesses a firearm? And not just any firearm... a machine gun. This is Switzerland's version of the national guard and it works. There is very little to no firearms related deaths in the country. So it must not be guns, in their fundamental nature that causes people to be killed by them. Switzerland is the example by the US gun lobby that is recycled as often as it is out of place. Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries with practically no lower class, extrodinarily low crime rates in general (gun related or not), and only 6 Mio inhabitants. Add to this a subdued and traditionalistic mind set. Having lived in both Switzerland and the US for several yeasr I can assure you that the differences between the two countries both in regard to social structure and mentality could not be more crass and stark between any other two western countries. As opposed to people in the US the Swiss do not carry guns out of some paranoia that there is a gangster around every other corner that they have to defend themselves against. Their motivation are more along the lines of traditionally rooted sportsmanship. (and, of course, the mandatory assault rifle of the people's militia) The only parts of US society that would compare to Swiss gun owners would be either professional military, wealthy gun collectors, or people with too much money and time that they decide to spend on a shooting range as hobby and social activity. If you want to compare to other developed nations pick some whose socioeconomic structures and mentality has any resemblance to the US. That is, a fair amount of heavy industry, lower class population, a regular batch of social problems, a modern much less traditional mind set, a much larger and more heterogenous population, an open as opposed to an isolationistic society, etc etc. You will find bigger countries such as France, Germany, UK or Japan with very serious gun restrictions. At the same time these countries have gun related homocide rates that are 15 to 30 times lower than those in the US (depending on whether you rather read pro-gun or antigun stats) Why the US has 15 to 30 times higher gun related homocide rates than many comparable countries, if it was not for the gun restrictions, I have never heard a remotely interesting answer to by a pro-gunner. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sfc 0 #49 November 10, 2005 Quote I wonder if the taxpayers know how much of their money will be wasted defending this illegal action in court? Good luck, San Franciscoans. You get what you deserve. I have to agree with you on this issue, it is just an expensive jesture that will achieve nothing, aside from being illegal it would likely make no difference to gun crime even if it was. It is an example of a left wing foolishness that unfortunately passed at the ballot box. The only good thing in CA yesterday was that the equally absurd right wing propositions from the governator were squashed when people realised that he was trying to set himself up to be king. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #50 November 10, 2005 New city limit signs "Welcome to San Francisco" "(yeah, you can take our shit, we can't stop you anyway)"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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artistcalledian 0 #42 November 10, 2005 QuoteTell me - did the gun shoot everyone at Dunblane or was the sonofabitch wielding it? Guns do not kill people. People kill other people using guns - and knifes, clubs, rocks, baseball bats, cars trucks, axes, sticks, etc. ahhh, Thomas Hamilton i think you'll find he was a member of the local gun club.... nice to know that those responsible people at the gun clubs can be trusted________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #43 November 10, 2005 Quotegood points, but i'm not sure everyody who carries a gun is actuall prepared for the aftermath of killing somebody.... its ok to shoot an attacker in the panic of being mugged, but thast going to haunt alot of people for the est of their lives I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #44 November 10, 2005 Like any segment of society, members of gun clubs will have their bad apples/turds/assholes/etc. Now, answer my question please. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #45 November 10, 2005 Dwarf tossing...another part of the international conspiracy to keep the short man down...supported in secret by the NBA... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #46 November 10, 2005 Quote Yep. I'd prefer to die in bed with my wonderful man, man Like my grandmother said, "When you go out, you little shit, you better be at full throttle and out of ammo".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikieB 0 #47 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn America, we don't have to defend our 'wants.' and look where thats getting you ! how many murders per year due to guns? more per year in areas where guns are not allowed. Yes if youre going strictly for home defense a shotgun is a good choice...with bird shot. hands guns can travel farther that you intend...especially if someone else lives in another room. A shotgun with bird shot will become non lethal in less distance than a bullet will.Quoteconfucious say: he who stands on top of toilet gets high on pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crwtom 0 #48 November 10, 2005 Quote Now lets examine the reverse side. Switzerland. Nice European country. Safe. Is it just a coincidence that nearly every citizen there possesses a firearm? And not just any firearm... a machine gun. This is Switzerland's version of the national guard and it works. There is very little to no firearms related deaths in the country. So it must not be guns, in their fundamental nature that causes people to be killed by them. Switzerland is the example by the US gun lobby that is recycled as often as it is out of place. Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries with practically no lower class, extrodinarily low crime rates in general (gun related or not), and only 6 Mio inhabitants. Add to this a subdued and traditionalistic mind set. Having lived in both Switzerland and the US for several yeasr I can assure you that the differences between the two countries both in regard to social structure and mentality could not be more crass and stark between any other two western countries. As opposed to people in the US the Swiss do not carry guns out of some paranoia that there is a gangster around every other corner that they have to defend themselves against. Their motivation are more along the lines of traditionally rooted sportsmanship. (and, of course, the mandatory assault rifle of the people's militia) The only parts of US society that would compare to Swiss gun owners would be either professional military, wealthy gun collectors, or people with too much money and time that they decide to spend on a shooting range as hobby and social activity. If you want to compare to other developed nations pick some whose socioeconomic structures and mentality has any resemblance to the US. That is, a fair amount of heavy industry, lower class population, a regular batch of social problems, a modern much less traditional mind set, a much larger and more heterogenous population, an open as opposed to an isolationistic society, etc etc. You will find bigger countries such as France, Germany, UK or Japan with very serious gun restrictions. At the same time these countries have gun related homocide rates that are 15 to 30 times lower than those in the US (depending on whether you rather read pro-gun or antigun stats) Why the US has 15 to 30 times higher gun related homocide rates than many comparable countries, if it was not for the gun restrictions, I have never heard a remotely interesting answer to by a pro-gunner. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sfc 0 #49 November 10, 2005 Quote I wonder if the taxpayers know how much of their money will be wasted defending this illegal action in court? Good luck, San Franciscoans. You get what you deserve. I have to agree with you on this issue, it is just an expensive jesture that will achieve nothing, aside from being illegal it would likely make no difference to gun crime even if it was. It is an example of a left wing foolishness that unfortunately passed at the ballot box. The only good thing in CA yesterday was that the equally absurd right wing propositions from the governator were squashed when people realised that he was trying to set himself up to be king. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #50 November 10, 2005 New city limit signs "Welcome to San Francisco" "(yeah, you can take our shit, we can't stop you anyway)"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mikieB 0 #47 November 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteIn America, we don't have to defend our 'wants.' and look where thats getting you ! how many murders per year due to guns? more per year in areas where guns are not allowed. Yes if youre going strictly for home defense a shotgun is a good choice...with bird shot. hands guns can travel farther that you intend...especially if someone else lives in another room. A shotgun with bird shot will become non lethal in less distance than a bullet will.Quoteconfucious say: he who stands on top of toilet gets high on pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #48 November 10, 2005 Quote Now lets examine the reverse side. Switzerland. Nice European country. Safe. Is it just a coincidence that nearly every citizen there possesses a firearm? And not just any firearm... a machine gun. This is Switzerland's version of the national guard and it works. There is very little to no firearms related deaths in the country. So it must not be guns, in their fundamental nature that causes people to be killed by them. Switzerland is the example by the US gun lobby that is recycled as often as it is out of place. Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries with practically no lower class, extrodinarily low crime rates in general (gun related or not), and only 6 Mio inhabitants. Add to this a subdued and traditionalistic mind set. Having lived in both Switzerland and the US for several yeasr I can assure you that the differences between the two countries both in regard to social structure and mentality could not be more crass and stark between any other two western countries. As opposed to people in the US the Swiss do not carry guns out of some paranoia that there is a gangster around every other corner that they have to defend themselves against. Their motivation are more along the lines of traditionally rooted sportsmanship. (and, of course, the mandatory assault rifle of the people's militia) The only parts of US society that would compare to Swiss gun owners would be either professional military, wealthy gun collectors, or people with too much money and time that they decide to spend on a shooting range as hobby and social activity. If you want to compare to other developed nations pick some whose socioeconomic structures and mentality has any resemblance to the US. That is, a fair amount of heavy industry, lower class population, a regular batch of social problems, a modern much less traditional mind set, a much larger and more heterogenous population, an open as opposed to an isolationistic society, etc etc. You will find bigger countries such as France, Germany, UK or Japan with very serious gun restrictions. At the same time these countries have gun related homocide rates that are 15 to 30 times lower than those in the US (depending on whether you rather read pro-gun or antigun stats) Why the US has 15 to 30 times higher gun related homocide rates than many comparable countries, if it was not for the gun restrictions, I have never heard a remotely interesting answer to by a pro-gunner. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 0 #49 November 10, 2005 Quote I wonder if the taxpayers know how much of their money will be wasted defending this illegal action in court? Good luck, San Franciscoans. You get what you deserve. I have to agree with you on this issue, it is just an expensive jesture that will achieve nothing, aside from being illegal it would likely make no difference to gun crime even if it was. It is an example of a left wing foolishness that unfortunately passed at the ballot box. The only good thing in CA yesterday was that the equally absurd right wing propositions from the governator were squashed when people realised that he was trying to set himself up to be king. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 November 10, 2005 New city limit signs "Welcome to San Francisco" "(yeah, you can take our shit, we can't stop you anyway)"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
