Red_Skydiver 0 #51 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuotehe just pushes what he believes in which is great. My wife is the same. She is always on hear discussing something political. Its when you have to insult people to get your message across i have a problem with I didn't insult anyone? lol I just pointed out where the tampons were? sheesh people!! I have no problem with in your face Patriotism. I wish more people would do it. Nothing is wrong with the statement made on that bumper sticker and I whole heartedly agree with it. You don't have to like the fact that I agree. I just do. That's me :) Many more people agree as well they just don't have the balls to say it in this here forum. Because they loose sleep at night over what people think of them. I don't. So I proudly agree. If you think I am immature because of that it's o.k.. I don't mind.. Puppet strings every where... Rhino I don't think it was the fact you agreed with the statement on the bumper sticker that irritated people but it was the "STFU" comment that did it. Often it's not what is said but how it is said that people take offence at..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #52 May 24, 2005 QuoteOften it's not what is said but how it is said that people take offence at..... Then they can call 1-800-cancel my dz.com account.. Free Speech.. It's a wonderful thing! Until a greenie pokes you in the ass with the fork! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #53 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuotehe just pushes what he believes in which is great. My wife is the same. She is always on hear discussing something political. Its when you have to insult people to get your message across i have a problem with I didn't insult anyone? lol I just pointed out where the tampons were? sheesh people!! I have no problem with in your face Patriotism. I wish more people would do it. Nothing is wrong with the statement made on that bumper sticker and I whole heartedly agree with it. You don't have to like the fact that I agree. I just do. That's me :) Many more people agree as well they just don't have the balls to say it in this here forum. Because they loose sleep at night over what people think of them. I don't. So I proudly agree. If you think I am immature because of that it's o.k.. I don't mind.. Puppet strings every where... Rhino You should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. jen----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #54 May 24, 2005 QuoteYou should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. Actually introspection is a daily practice of mine.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #55 May 24, 2005 I don't see what could be offensive about it. Maybe if he was driving his truck through downtown Falluja it would be different. I could do the same around dublin with my tri-colour and i doubt it would bother anyone. Try that going down the shankill road and I suspect id lose a few teeth(or kneecaps). Surely people who are in america for whaterver reason are not likely to be offended by the national symbol of the coultry?? Maybe Im missing something Im in the middle of exams and my brain is fried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #56 May 24, 2005 QuoteYou should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. What's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #57 May 24, 2005 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? Only a select few of us actually get warned for this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #58 May 24, 2005 QuoteI'm sorry, I thought this thread was about a redneck asshole and the hatred displayed on the back of his truck, not what I'm willing to fight for. I am just curious how you came up with this statement... See, i sense a LOT of hatered coming from you. A "REDNECK ASSHOLE" ... Where do you get that from Honey??? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #59 May 24, 2005 QuoteA "REDNECK ASSHOLE" ... Where do you get that from Honey??? Yup, sounds like a serious stereotype and assumption, followed closely by extreme hatred stemming into descrimination. What if I assumed that the guy in the truck was a Mormon asshole, since Mormons are generally gentle people and very patriotic?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #60 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? Only a select few of us actually get warned for this I've always had the hots for women that could deliver a back-handed slap using such high intilekshual phrases like "the ravages of self awareness". A marriage proposal might be in order here. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #61 May 24, 2005 I was just getting pissed off at Rhino. And I don't use the term "redneck" the way most people do. Having lived in the south for so long, I use that term for anyone who I perceive acts in a nationalistic manner. Mainly because nationalism is basically an epidemic in the south. And I echo what Zenister said about being proud to be born somewhere . . . you can be HAPPY, but PROUD? That's just silly. You had nothing to do with it. And I will always try to welcome people from other, OPEN-MINDED groups into our country. And I don't know ONE FREAKIN' PERSON who's OFFENDED by the flag. The whole idea of that sign is ludicrous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #62 May 24, 2005 QuoteI use that term for anyone who I perceive acts in a nationalistic manner. Mainly because nationalism is basically an epidemic in the south. Ah, ok, so all the people in the south are facists and only people in the south act in a manner that you feel is over-the-top Americanism? I'm glad we consulted you, living in the south I would have never been able to understand. I want you to go look in the mirror and read your post outloud to yourself, then come back here and tell me if you don't feel like a hypocrite.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #63 May 24, 2005 Honestly, I do. Because I hate people who perpetuate hate . . . that right there is a contradiction. But I think it's a fair one. And no, not only people from the South do so. But I haven't spent much time up north, and the over-the-top conservative stuff in the south is pissing me off. I can't drive down the fucking street without seeing a giant "Racial profiling would have prevented this" (with a pic of the twin towers on fire) billboard! That's completely unacceptable to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #64 May 24, 2005 QuoteThat's completely unacceptable to me. Then I'm happy for you making a HUGE difference by bitching about it on the internet instead of trying to take steps in your community to make a difference. You're right, lets take their freedom of speech away since it doesn't agree with your belief system. That's the right answer.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #65 May 24, 2005 Ok, fine. I'll admit that freedom of speech is a hard one to always agree with. You have to be willing to let someone say something that makes your blood boil. And when I think about that, well, as someone who's trying to be open-minded, I realize I have NO RIGHT to TAKE ANY ACTION to get that sign taken down. And so I won't. But along that same vein, I can say whatever the hell I want to about it. But if someone tells me to STFU . . . well, I'm just gonna get louder. Because damnit, THAT'S what freedom's about. And wow . . . I never even served in the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyshrek 0 #66 May 24, 2005 Thank God for skydiving, otherwise we would all never get along It heats up in here doesn't it. I can see why the misses enjoys speakers corner...lolhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #67 May 24, 2005 Some of us will never get along, even in spite of skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #68 May 24, 2005 Well, you've seen that its a freedom of speech thing. Then you could always get a group together to get donations so to put up an opposing view point on a neighboring billboard, right? Personally, disrespectful burning of an American flag drives me crazy, it pisses me off to no end; however, the supreme court has ruled that it is a freedom of speech issue and they have that freedom so it stays. What do I do about it? Try to raise people's awareness about what that flag really stands for. That flag isn't about the current administration, its not about all the good or the bad, its about all the people since the colonists first thought about being out from under England's thumb. Its about all of those that have died defending our rights and all of those who have sworn to defend the constitution. Its about your average joe working hard everyday to support his family. Its about your average jan working hard to support her family. Its about everyone and showing respect to all the citizens. What have I done outside of the internet? The list would be long, but I'll say that I've been in organizations that worked to perpetuate a similar view point and have written quite a few letters. At the end of the day, though, stereotyping a group of people for a single thing you don't agree with is asinine. That makes you no better then what you are fighting against.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #69 May 24, 2005 It was a rash reaction to someone who can really get under my skin. When people don't listen and change the track of the conversation, I tend to get hostile. We'll just change the phrase to "ethnocentric asshole", and that one I stand by. People CHOOSE to be ethnocentric (as did this person), so it's not a stereotype. I could put up an opposing billboard, but many of my friends fall into that ethnocentric category . . . and I can't even afford tunnel camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #70 May 24, 2005 QuoteA marriage proposal might be in order here. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #71 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt is one of the problems with free speech that we willingly accept loudmouth assholes so that those that are able to speak constructively can do so without fear. Not at all. I'll fight for that person's right to display that asshole confrontational sticker on his truck. I'll also fight for and have been to war to protect that other asshole's right to stand on the side of the road and display his/her "hate america" or "hate the troops" posters on a stick. I don't see that as a problem with free speech that we allow that. I see it as what makes us great that we do allow it without fear. ..... I have no idea why you start out "Not at all" then proceed to repeat my point. What do you want, Paj? You want me to rephrase it into exactly the same words you put down? It's the same thing. I'm just pointing out that we get the assholes with the better speakers and it's well worth it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #72 May 24, 2005 QuoteFree Speech.. It's a wonderful thing! Until a greenie pokes you in the ass with the fork! Oh! So it really would be okay for someone to have a burning flag in the back of their pickup truck with a sign on the back that says, "If you don't like the way I exercise my constitutional rights you can leave the US!" Or are you just going for selective free speech a'la "Animal Farm" where everyone is free and has rights, but some people are less "free" than others?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #73 May 24, 2005 QuoteOh! So it really would be okay for someone to have a burning flag in the back of their pickup truck with a sign on the back that says, "If you don't like the way I exercise my constitutional rights you can leave the US!" Do you think that would be o.k.?? I posted what I thought was o.k. Why don't you post what you think is o.k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,772 #74 May 24, 2005 >Do you think that would be o.k.?? His example is just as OK as your example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justaflygirl 0 #75 May 24, 2005 Awesome! Love it!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydyvr 0 #56 May 24, 2005 QuoteYou should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. What's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #57 May 24, 2005 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should count your blessings that you aren't overly burdened with the ravages of self-awareness. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? Only a select few of us actually get warned for this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #58 May 24, 2005 QuoteI'm sorry, I thought this thread was about a redneck asshole and the hatred displayed on the back of his truck, not what I'm willing to fight for. I am just curious how you came up with this statement... See, i sense a LOT of hatered coming from you. A "REDNECK ASSHOLE" ... Where do you get that from Honey??? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #59 May 24, 2005 QuoteA "REDNECK ASSHOLE" ... Where do you get that from Honey??? Yup, sounds like a serious stereotype and assumption, followed closely by extreme hatred stemming into descrimination. What if I assumed that the guy in the truck was a Mormon asshole, since Mormons are generally gentle people and very patriotic?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #60 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhat's the "alternate meaning" of this uncleverly disguised personal insult? Only a select few of us actually get warned for this I've always had the hots for women that could deliver a back-handed slap using such high intilekshual phrases like "the ravages of self awareness". A marriage proposal might be in order here. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #61 May 24, 2005 I was just getting pissed off at Rhino. And I don't use the term "redneck" the way most people do. Having lived in the south for so long, I use that term for anyone who I perceive acts in a nationalistic manner. Mainly because nationalism is basically an epidemic in the south. And I echo what Zenister said about being proud to be born somewhere . . . you can be HAPPY, but PROUD? That's just silly. You had nothing to do with it. And I will always try to welcome people from other, OPEN-MINDED groups into our country. And I don't know ONE FREAKIN' PERSON who's OFFENDED by the flag. The whole idea of that sign is ludicrous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #62 May 24, 2005 QuoteI use that term for anyone who I perceive acts in a nationalistic manner. Mainly because nationalism is basically an epidemic in the south. Ah, ok, so all the people in the south are facists and only people in the south act in a manner that you feel is over-the-top Americanism? I'm glad we consulted you, living in the south I would have never been able to understand. I want you to go look in the mirror and read your post outloud to yourself, then come back here and tell me if you don't feel like a hypocrite.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #63 May 24, 2005 Honestly, I do. Because I hate people who perpetuate hate . . . that right there is a contradiction. But I think it's a fair one. And no, not only people from the South do so. But I haven't spent much time up north, and the over-the-top conservative stuff in the south is pissing me off. I can't drive down the fucking street without seeing a giant "Racial profiling would have prevented this" (with a pic of the twin towers on fire) billboard! That's completely unacceptable to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #64 May 24, 2005 QuoteThat's completely unacceptable to me. Then I'm happy for you making a HUGE difference by bitching about it on the internet instead of trying to take steps in your community to make a difference. You're right, lets take their freedom of speech away since it doesn't agree with your belief system. That's the right answer.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #65 May 24, 2005 Ok, fine. I'll admit that freedom of speech is a hard one to always agree with. You have to be willing to let someone say something that makes your blood boil. And when I think about that, well, as someone who's trying to be open-minded, I realize I have NO RIGHT to TAKE ANY ACTION to get that sign taken down. And so I won't. But along that same vein, I can say whatever the hell I want to about it. But if someone tells me to STFU . . . well, I'm just gonna get louder. Because damnit, THAT'S what freedom's about. And wow . . . I never even served in the military. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #66 May 24, 2005 Thank God for skydiving, otherwise we would all never get along It heats up in here doesn't it. I can see why the misses enjoys speakers corner...lolhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #67 May 24, 2005 Some of us will never get along, even in spite of skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #68 May 24, 2005 Well, you've seen that its a freedom of speech thing. Then you could always get a group together to get donations so to put up an opposing view point on a neighboring billboard, right? Personally, disrespectful burning of an American flag drives me crazy, it pisses me off to no end; however, the supreme court has ruled that it is a freedom of speech issue and they have that freedom so it stays. What do I do about it? Try to raise people's awareness about what that flag really stands for. That flag isn't about the current administration, its not about all the good or the bad, its about all the people since the colonists first thought about being out from under England's thumb. Its about all of those that have died defending our rights and all of those who have sworn to defend the constitution. Its about your average joe working hard everyday to support his family. Its about your average jan working hard to support her family. Its about everyone and showing respect to all the citizens. What have I done outside of the internet? The list would be long, but I'll say that I've been in organizations that worked to perpetuate a similar view point and have written quite a few letters. At the end of the day, though, stereotyping a group of people for a single thing you don't agree with is asinine. That makes you no better then what you are fighting against.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #69 May 24, 2005 It was a rash reaction to someone who can really get under my skin. When people don't listen and change the track of the conversation, I tend to get hostile. We'll just change the phrase to "ethnocentric asshole", and that one I stand by. People CHOOSE to be ethnocentric (as did this person), so it's not a stereotype. I could put up an opposing billboard, but many of my friends fall into that ethnocentric category . . . and I can't even afford tunnel camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #70 May 24, 2005 QuoteA marriage proposal might be in order here. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #71 May 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt is one of the problems with free speech that we willingly accept loudmouth assholes so that those that are able to speak constructively can do so without fear. Not at all. I'll fight for that person's right to display that asshole confrontational sticker on his truck. I'll also fight for and have been to war to protect that other asshole's right to stand on the side of the road and display his/her "hate america" or "hate the troops" posters on a stick. I don't see that as a problem with free speech that we allow that. I see it as what makes us great that we do allow it without fear. ..... I have no idea why you start out "Not at all" then proceed to repeat my point. What do you want, Paj? You want me to rephrase it into exactly the same words you put down? It's the same thing. I'm just pointing out that we get the assholes with the better speakers and it's well worth it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #72 May 24, 2005 QuoteFree Speech.. It's a wonderful thing! Until a greenie pokes you in the ass with the fork! Oh! So it really would be okay for someone to have a burning flag in the back of their pickup truck with a sign on the back that says, "If you don't like the way I exercise my constitutional rights you can leave the US!" Or are you just going for selective free speech a'la "Animal Farm" where everyone is free and has rights, but some people are less "free" than others?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #73 May 24, 2005 QuoteOh! So it really would be okay for someone to have a burning flag in the back of their pickup truck with a sign on the back that says, "If you don't like the way I exercise my constitutional rights you can leave the US!" Do you think that would be o.k.?? I posted what I thought was o.k. Why don't you post what you think is o.k. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #74 May 24, 2005 >Do you think that would be o.k.?? His example is just as OK as your example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justaflygirl 0 #75 May 24, 2005 Awesome! Love it!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites