EBSB52 0
I'm not ready to sign off on something that makes the seller a murderer. If a friend of mine is in danger, I'll provide them with a weapon (and whatever training is feasible) during the 10 day waiting period we have here.
Illegal, sure. But people have died during that 'cooling off' period. I'm not going to wait till it happens to a friend of mine to lobby in CA for a change.
Illegal, sure. But people have died during that 'cooling off' period. I'm not going to wait till it happens to a friend of mine to lobby in CA for a change.
SkyDekker 1,141
QuoteI think I'm just going to start referring people to Oleg's site
Looks like Oleg should be spending more time trying not to get hacked
Not to long ago I heard a conversation in the local gun shop I think I should share.
Guy: Do you rent guns here?
Salesman: Sure do.
Guy: Great, I need one for about 3 days.
It's people like that where these gun laws are good. It keeps weapons out of the hands of this guy. Now do I believe there should be waivers, yes. If someone has a legitiment threat on his/the family's life same day purchase can be authorized. These cases would be interviewed same day by 2 senior officers for the legitimancy of their cases. When legitimancy is decided you get a offical letter to take to the gun shop, which is verified by calling one of those 2 officers. Then you can buy the gun the same day. Now if sitting in the police office for 8 hours waiting for your turn to talk to the officers is to long for you then your case must not be worth enough to hear in the first place. I won't even get into the issue of training to use those weapons because anyone who works with firearms know's it takes a long time to become truely familiar with your weapon, grip, body position, trigger squeeze, breathing, follow through etc. Sometime's just having the weapon is enough to stop a crime.
Back to the original post, Philly has some good idea's, now to find someone with enough balls to impliment them. Screw public opinion and doing what's going to get you voted as prom king. Do what will piss people off but get the job done.
Guy: Do you rent guns here?
Salesman: Sure do.
Guy: Great, I need one for about 3 days.
It's people like that where these gun laws are good. It keeps weapons out of the hands of this guy. Now do I believe there should be waivers, yes. If someone has a legitiment threat on his/the family's life same day purchase can be authorized. These cases would be interviewed same day by 2 senior officers for the legitimancy of their cases. When legitimancy is decided you get a offical letter to take to the gun shop, which is verified by calling one of those 2 officers. Then you can buy the gun the same day. Now if sitting in the police office for 8 hours waiting for your turn to talk to the officers is to long for you then your case must not be worth enough to hear in the first place. I won't even get into the issue of training to use those weapons because anyone who works with firearms know's it takes a long time to become truely familiar with your weapon, grip, body position, trigger squeeze, breathing, follow through etc. Sometime's just having the weapon is enough to stop a crime.
Back to the original post, Philly has some good idea's, now to find someone with enough balls to impliment them. Screw public opinion and doing what's going to get you voted as prom king. Do what will piss people off but get the job done.
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QuoteNot to long ago I heard a conversation in the local gun shop I think I should share.
Guy: Do you rent guns here?
Salesman: Sure do.
Guy: Great, I need one for about 3 days.
It's people like that where these gun laws are good. It keeps weapons out of the hands of this guy.
What kind of gun was he trying to get?
If it's a hunting rifle/shotgun, I could see a good reason why he might want to rent a gun.
If it's a handgun, I'd be a little more suspicious.
A handgun, needless to say the look on the salesmans face was priceless. I wish I had a picture of it.
"I've taken the liberty of drafting your confession, you will be given a fair trial and then taken out back and shot."
QuoteA handgun, needless to say the look on the salesmans face was priceless. I wish I had a picture of it.
I can understand a guy renting a rifle/shotgun (flew in to town to go hunting with one of his buddies and didn't bring his rifle with him, etc....)
I can't really think of any good reasons to rent a handgun for 3 days.
JohnRich 4
QuoteI can't really think of any good reasons to rent a handgun for 3 days.
To try out a particular model at the range to see if you want to buy it.
If you're already a felon, it's still illegal even to rent it.
At this shop the handguns are only rented on their indoor range. You can't take it off to another range to shoot them. Theres even been a bunch of suicides with those range guns. They go in rent one walk out onto the range and then leave an unsightly stain on the floor and a hole in the ceiling. Hell I'm in California. You can't say the word gun without getting 20 people looking at you funny.
"I've taken the liberty of drafting your confession, you will be given a fair trial and then taken out back and shot."
kallend 1,646
QuoteQuoteI can't really think of any good reasons to rent a handgun for 3 days.
To try out a particular model at the range to see if you want to buy it.
If you're already a felon, it's still illegal even to rent it.
It's the people intending to become felons that I'd worry about.
Every single felon was once a law abiding citizen (or law abiding non-citizen).
Every illegally owned weapon was once legal.
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It's the people intending to become felons that I'd worry about.
Eh, a reasonable fear.
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Every single felon was once a law abiding citizen (or law abiding non-citizen).
Every illegally owned weapon was once legal.
Every gun, legally owned or not was once a big slab of metal, I still don't see your point.
kallend 1,646
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It's the people intending to become felons that I'd worry about.
Eh, a reasonable fear.Quote
Every single felon was once a law abiding citizen (or law abiding non-citizen).
Every illegally owned weapon was once legal.
Every gun, legally owned or not was once a big slab of metal, I still don't see your point.
The point is simple - all the arguments about how bad it is to inconvenience law abiding citizens with legal guns, and whining "only outlaws will have guns", miss the point that many of these upright folks will become felons, and one way or another many legal guns to fall into the hands of criminals.
IMO the community of gun enthusiasts should do a little self-examination to see how to deal with these problems, otherwise sooner or later someone WILL do it for them.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Kennedy 0
Quotemany of these upright folks will become felons, and one way or another many legal guns to fall into the hands of criminals.
...and you have something to back up the assertion that many normal people become felons, and many guns fall into criminals' hands? Remember, there are around 80 million guns owners and 260 million guns in the USA.
(you should also keep in mind that most criminals are repeat offenders and most crime guns are used more than once)
Also, even if gun owners had perfect track record, and no gun owner sold his gun except to an FFL, and no legal gun were stolen, do you think that would have a large effect on the crime rate?
Have you forgotten that no country anywhere has been able to stop the black market from operating? Guns would still get into criminals' hands just like drugs, bootlegs, and everything else.
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The point is simple - all the arguments about how bad it is to inconvenience law abiding citizens with legal guns, and whining "only outlaws will have guns", miss the point that many of these upright folks will become felons, and one way or another many legal guns to fall into the hands of criminals.
Many of these upright folks will become felons regardless of whether or not they can get a gun. Guns don't make people criminals, people make their own choices to do such things. If you take legal guns out of the equation, you only have less people able to defend themselves (and easier targets), not less gun crime.
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IMO the community of gun enthusiasts should do a little self-examination to see how to deal with these problems, otherwise sooner or later someone WILL do it for them.
It doesn't matter if guns are banned. Criminals with guns are a constant, they will always be there. If put in a situation where citizens have to deal with these criminals, many would like the chance to defend themselves by using the most effective means possible.
I still don't see a valid argument in what your saying.
JohnRich 4
QuoteEvery single felon was once a law abiding citizen (or law abiding non-citizen).
You're right - we should commence a nationwide program of mandatory abortion of all pregnant women from this day forward, to ensure that we don't raise any more future felons in our midst.
You make a stupid comment, you get a stupid response.
You don't seem to have any problem explaining complex physics to students. So why is it that you have such a hard time explaining points when it comes to gun control? Why can't you just come right out and say what you mean?
If we should ban objects to responsible members of society, because some few people misuse them, then there is a very long list of things that no one would be allowed to own. Guns, cars, alcohol, prescription drugs, parachutes, power tools, gasoline, even model rocket motors. And I don't think you really want to do that. Not if you want to remain free.
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Every single felon was once a law abiding citizen (or law abiding non-citizen).
Are we sure?
One can become a felon, or at least ineligible to buy firearms before they are 18 or 21 as required.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that a majority of people committing murder with a gun were never eligible to obtain one.
Kennedy 0
Very good point.
Accepted facts about the "average" US criminal (index I)
- He started committing jailable offenses by 13 years of age
- He committed his first felony by fifteen years of age
- The worst offending year are between 16 and 19 years of age
You know, I really wonder now how many criminals who have used a gun in a crime were never eligible to own one in the first place.
Accepted facts about the "average" US criminal (index I)
- He started committing jailable offenses by 13 years of age
- He committed his first felony by fifteen years of age
- The worst offending year are between 16 and 19 years of age
You know, I really wonder now how many criminals who have used a gun in a crime were never eligible to own one in the first place.
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Please explain this statement. I simply do not unerstand your meaning
The court is out on the "former." Obvious mis-type that means, "the one before."
The original statement was something about how God made man, Colt made us equal. I was agreeing with Kennedy that guns do make us equal, regardless of size. The thing about God making us was simply saying that procreation is still unproven, just as is evolution. The emphasis of my statement was to agree that guns are the eqaulizer.