CIA Predicts EU Collapse

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[Gravitymaster 0]

It has taken a while for the CIA to recover from the stupid policies of the Clinton Admin through the actions of Torecelli, Gorelick and others. I do credit Bush for understanding that pointing the finger at Clinton will accomplish nothing and working to improve our intel by changing personel and instituting new policies. Hope you had a chance to read the story on the link I provided in a previous post on this thread.

[rmsmith 1]

Remember that the CIA didn't predict the Soviet Union's economic demise until after it happened. The demographics of Europe are probably a prelude of what the U.S. will experience when 75+ million baby boomers retire.

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Remember that the CIA didn't predict the Soviet Union's economic demise until after it happened. The demographics of Europe are probably a prelude of what the U.S. will experience when 75+ million baby boomers retire.

The CIA is now predicting that Russia will collapse in 10 years. Guess we will have to wait and see if their prediction is correct.

[freeryde13 0]

at some point i think we need to think about a world economy and not each country or area individually. ( a bit ironic that european bashing would come from the mouths of people of european decent......hmmmm) as we move into the information age the world becomes smaller. what ever form of goverment we think works, it seems that we will not have security unless everyone gets to share the riches. we can divide ourselves , that we have proven. u.s. against the world, whites against non whites, north against south, this town against that town, this school against that school, and jocks against freaks and me against you.

but is there a need for that. isn't there enough for every body to get there share. or are we so over populated that we really have to fight for our survival against eachother.

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at some point i think we need to think about a world economy and not each country or area individually. ( a bit ironic that european bashing would come from the mouths of people of european decent......hmmmm) as we move into the information age the world becomes smaller. what ever form of goverment we think works, it seems that we will not have security unless everyone gets to share the riches. we can divide ourselves , that we have proven. u.s. against the world, whites against non whites, north against south, this town against that town, this school against that school, and jocks against freaks and me against you.

but is there a need for that. isn't there enough for every body to get there share. or are we so over populated that we really have to fight for our survival against eachother.

I don't view this as EU bashing. I think it just points out the consequences of a Socialistic Society. Hopefully the socialists in the US have been beaten back for a while and we can start working towards better long term economic responsibility within the individual.

[freeryde13 0]

no doubt grivity master. but who are the socialists of our country. do you mean the people who call themselves socialists, of people who legistate socialist polocies? our government is part socialist, part democrocy, part republic, and part dictatorship. i'm personally for libertarian polocies wich is closer to true conservatism in a way, not this stuff bush is pushing of course.

my thing is that we should be trying to perfect our thing over here, and the rest of the world will follow because it is a better way. but while we have the potential to work out the kinks in our system and make it a model the rest of the world WANTS to follow, i'm not sure our current leadership is taking us that way.

wouldn't it be cool if we could use this sc forum to try to get to that solution? or are we all ready there and i just don't see it?

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[EBSB52 0]

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Did they say anything about the threat posed by the EU's massive WMD program?

As you can see, Europe will not be a threat to anybody in the future, or do you mean the World of Marxist Decline? I think Europe has not learned the economic lessons of the past.

And the dollar is so strong with a bright outlook...... Capitalism is more volatile than Socialism or Communism.

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And as long as the EU is keeping money for own purposes and not spending it for any wars: Our future is safe

I think that was Europe's attitude in 1939 too.

Europe is not a warry and hasn't been since the Revolutionary War..... watch China, folks

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Did they say anything about the threat posed by the EU's massive WMD program?

As you can see, Europe will not be a threat to anybody in the future, or do you mean the World of Marxist Decline? I think Europe has not learned the economic lessons of the past.

And the dollar is so strong with a bright outlook...... Capitalism is more volatile than Socialism or Communism.

Why do you view a short term devaluation of the US dollar as bad?

[juanesky 0]

Interesting that you post about a great success in comunism....damn lies about the USSR falling apart!

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Do you think capitalism is sustainable?

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Did they say anything about the threat posed by the EU's massive WMD program?

Or the fact that due to the falling dollar - Birdman prices are now based on the Euro?

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[miked10270 0]

One interesting (& serious) point...

Looking at recent developments in The Ukraine, one wonders how long it'll be before they seek EU membership?

Similarly, there's a lot of ethnic poles in Belarus.

This is now becoming reminiscent of Haushofer's Gopolitical View - with a massive land based Eurasian empire emerging - only without the wars & invading stuff.

Then consider WHY the US$ is falling against the Euro. The price of a currency is ultimately a matter of supply against demand for that nations products and services (somebody wanting to buy something from the US has to buy dollars to pay for it, just as someone who wants to buy something from The EU has to buy Euros). So why aren't people buying dollars?

I suspect that the US in presently in greater danger of economic recession than the EU... The question is whether a US recession will trigger a European recession given the size the EU market has now attained?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

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[Tonto 1]

Agreed on all points - but the CIA really doesn't want to predict that - do they? It's a matter of time until OPEC changes the price of a Barrel of oil from Dollars to Euro's. The US may well go to war over that, but how many more fronts can they afford? Iran is brewing. Think NK will do nothing if they know the US is over extended?

Quite simply, I think the world doesn't beleive that ANY ecconomy, regardless of its reputation or size, can afford to spend money - at the pace that the US is spending it - on the things it's spending it on, and survive indefinately. The US is maxing out it's credit cards right now buying things it never thought it would need 4 years ago, but unfortunately - not enough armour for its Hummers.

Iraq appears to be a bottomless ecconomic pit - and the "Coalition of the willing" are not really the richest nations on the planet. I think ALL americans are probably a bit surprised at how much this has cost since the "Mission Accomplished" sign went up.

It's all about faith. I have no doubt that the US will remain the world's only superpower for at least another 50 years, but if some people's predictions about the Dems being done for for another 20 years are correct, due to their stance on issues like abortion etc - that its the start of a long downhill slide.

Time will tell. Meanwhile - start saving up those Euros for the new range of suits coming out!

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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It's a matter of time until OPEC changes the price of a Barrel of oil from Dollars to Euro's.

I personally think the above, together with the rise of China, will end the US's position as the only superpower before we see another 50 years.

The worrying thing is that a lot of people agree with us, the only dispute being how long it's gonna take. In our live times we're gonna see some pretty major shifts in world power. Shifts of such magnitude rarely go completely without incident.

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It's a matter of time until OPEC changes the price of a Barrel of oil from Dollars to Euro's.

I personally think the above, together with the rise of China, will end the US's position as the only superpower before we see another 50 years.

The worrying thing is that a lot of people agree with us, the only dispute being how long it's gonna take. In our live times we're gonna see some pretty major shifts in world power. Shifts of such magnitude rarely go completely without incident.

China: 40% of all degrees granted are in engineering
Europe: 15% of all degrees granted are in engineering
USA: 5% of all degrees granted are in engineering.

Discuss.

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[larsrulz 0]

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Remember that the CIA didn't predict the Soviet Union's economic demise until after it happened. The demographics of Europe are probably a prelude of what the U.S. will experience when 75+ million baby boomers retire.

Actually the CIA had said the Soviet economy would collapse within 5 years in the late 80s. They didn't predict the disolvment of the SU, because no one other than Gorbachev even knew what he would do...hell, he might not have known before hand!

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Oh, no. US Intel has gotten much better the last 4 years.

That's how we knew where all Saddam's WMDs were?

Blues,
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That's how we knew where all Saddam's WMDs were?

No silly, that is why they can now say there really are NO WMD

[03CLS 0]

I didn't know the CIA made predications? The CIA is only as good as the agents they run........and the EU is the new Roman Empire.

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Oh, no. US Intel has gotten much better the last 4 years.

That's how we knew where all Saddam's WMDs were?

Blues,
Dave

Did you bother to read the link I posted with my statement?

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Oh, no. US Intel has gotten much better the last 4 years.

That's how we knew where all Saddam's WMDs were?

Blues,
Dave

Did you bother to read the link I posted with my statement?

Not really. I clicked it and saw what it was about (the new intel group in the DOD, about which I've already read.)

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

Maybe they should start looking at our economy while they are at it. A lot of what they say could transfer over to us as well.

Our country is sharply divided in half on politics and religion.

We have immigration issues and American workers have negative feelings about those foreign nationals that are taking their jobs when they come over here....and don't forget about jobs leaving this country....plus a net loss of jobs during the last four years.

Our foreign policy is pissing off everyone around the world which is slowly leaving us stranded, making it harder to travel safe here or offshore. It will also lead to less countries purchasing our goods.

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[rmsmith 1]

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The question is whether a US recession will trigger a European recession given the size the EU market has now attained?

Many economists believe that trouble in the U.S. economy spells even worse for the rest of the world. Europe with its 900+ million consumers is not as tightly bonded as many would like to believe, and that their political bonds existed only because of the cold war threat. With that threat now gone they have more room to practice their discontent with the U.S. and their neighboring countries. Europe has a huge population of old people, and a good number of the rest are being ravaged by aids, heroin, tobacco, high unemployment, and an apathic outlook toward the future of the EU. Also remember that foreign investment can easily be nationalized unless they face retaliation, and the U.S., not Europe, has the capability to impose economic sanctions or destroy infrastructure from a comfortable distance.