kallend 1,651 #1 August 20, 2004 Well, here's a guy with zero credibility. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html?nav=most_emailed "Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events. In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day. But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him." See also www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_thurlowaffidavit.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_awardrecommendation.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #2 August 20, 2004 Maybe he was escorting Kerry on his way to Cambodia. Wait, he said he was never there. Wait, he now says he was. Wait, he said he wasn't now. Wait, he now says it was a classified mission for the military. Wait, now he says it was this year. Wait, now he says it was a different year after they found holes in his stories. Wait, now he said he's been there 3 times. Now it's 4. Now it's five. I can't keep up with his flip-flops. What number are we up to on his Cambodia lie? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #3 August 20, 2004 QuoteI can't keep up with his flip-flops. What number are we up to on his Cambodia lie? Don't forget that it was a pivotal moment in his career, and it was seered in his memory.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #4 August 20, 2004 QuoteDon't forget that it was a pivotal moment in his career, and it was seered in his memory. ROFLMAO. Right on. Here's his own words. “I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me.” Hmmmm. Let's break it down. 1. The Khmer Rogue were practically non-existent then and even if they were they were in extremely small numbers and definitly were nowhere near Cambodia. They didn't grow in nunbers and become a force to be reckoned with until later. 2. All of the commanders in his chain of command said this was not true whatsoever. 3. 3 out of 5 of Kerry's own men on board at that time deny they were in Cambodia. It was after this Kerry started doing what he does best...flip-flopping. When told about the Khmer Rogue not being around in that year he quickly said he meant to say in January. When told they still weren't around then he said the mission was classified. Classified but still willing to talk about specifics? Wow, there's a first. First it was a special ops mission delivering SEALS. Then it was a CIA mission. Then it was a double op. Then it was.....gimme a fucking break. What a complete loser. Sorry, Kerry. Caught in yet another lie. We'll wait in anticipation for your next flip-flop. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #5 August 20, 2004 I've been working on a pet theory. What if Kerry voters are supporting him simply because they see him as a mendacious person they can rally behind, one who legitimizes them whenever they feel the desire to lie? Sort of like "birds of a feather"? But with Kerry, they believe they'll feel a certain vindication whenever they lie, because if he becomes president, they can feel like they are not the worst liars around, and there's that old, "The president did it, why shouldn't I?" --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #6 August 20, 2004 I understand the polls are tight but despite that I have a very hard time seeing my fellow American citizens voting this piece of shit liar to office. Bush will win. Common sense will eventually prevail. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #7 August 20, 2004 I have a very hard time seeing my fellow American citizens voting this piece of shit liar to office. *** Get used to it, it's a cycle. It happened 4 years ago. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #8 August 20, 2004 Best thing I've read sence Anvil declared he was gay. blues jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #9 August 20, 2004 >What number are we up to on his Cambodia lie? It wasn't a lie, he just had bad intel! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #10 August 20, 2004 QuoteIt wasn't a lie, he just had bad intel! You know, you're right. But since he was describing events "seared into his memory," I guess the bad intelligence is the stuff between his ears. Glad we could come to a consensus on that, Bill.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #11 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt wasn't a lie, he just had bad intel! You know, you're right. But since he was describing events "seared into his memory," I guess the bad intelligence is the stuff between his ears. Glad we could come to a consensus on that, Bill. Points to a clear deficiency in officer training: Kerry couldn't find Cambodia and GWB couldn't find his base in Alabama. Poor navigational skills. But what about these "Veterans for (Un)Truth? Isn't it amazing that a guy would perjure himself that way just to discredit someone else? What a nasty bugger.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #12 August 20, 2004 QuoteI understand the polls are tight but despite that I have a very hard time seeing my fellow American citizens voting this piece of shit liar to office. . You're way behind the times: "We will have deficit that is small and short-term", GWB, 2002. "Nation building, ABSOLUTELY NOT", GWB, 2000.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #13 August 20, 2004 Just out of interest John, was he talking about budget deficit, or the balance of trade deficit?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #14 August 20, 2004 QuoteJust out of interest John, was he talking about budget deficit, or the balance of trade deficit? Budget.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #15 August 20, 2004 It must be true, it's on Fox News! "Thurlow, also like Kerry, commanded a Navy swift boat during Vietnam. He swore in an affidavit last month that Kerry was "not under fire" when he rescued Rassmann from the Bay Hap River. Thurlow's records, obtained by the Post under the Freedom of Information Act, include references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at all five boats in the flotilla that day. In his Bronze Star citation, Thurlow is praised for helping a damaged swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him." Of course, it's not a lie if it's told by a Republican. It's just "Bad Intel".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #16 August 20, 2004 I guess he doesn't really want to talk about the BoT deficit either then.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #17 August 20, 2004 Quote Well, here's a guy with zero credibility. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html?nav=most_emailed "Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events. In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day. But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him." See also www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_thurlowaffidavit.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_awardrecommendation.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf You had better follow this further!!! Mr Thurlow says that he did not fill out the request for medal. (I believe that has been confirmed) Kerry submitted that request. Mr Thurlow believed he got his medal not for being under fire( which he has maintained for years!) but some else that slips my mind right now. You will have to dig for the reports because you most likely will not see in in the main stream. I will see if I can find the info. God I love watching the left grab at air"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #18 August 20, 2004 QuoteGod I love watching the left grab at air Happens a lot. Sadly people see an article and they post it faster than you can blink without doing their own homewrok to make sure it's true. Hell, their is a conservative sheep on these boards who does the same thing. He loves to post links to controversial threads but misquotes the actual article right in his header. Sad. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #19 August 20, 2004 QuoteI have a very hard time seeing my fellow American citizens voting this piece of shit liar to office. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get used to it, it's a cycle. It happened 4 years ago. and twice in the 8 years before that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 August 20, 2004 Hell, voting shit heads into office is right after baseball as the national pasttime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #21 August 20, 2004 QuoteQuote Well, here's a guy with zero credibility. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html?nav=most_emailed "Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F. Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win medals, contradict his own version of events. In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day. But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him." See also www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_thurlowaffidavit.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_awardrecommendation.pdf www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/veterans_citation.pdf You had better follow this further!!! Mr Thurlow says that he did not fill out the request for medal. (I believe that has been confirmed) Kerry submitted that request. Mr Thurlow believed he got his medal not for being under fire( which he has maintained for years!) but some else that slips my mind right now. You will have to dig for the reports because you most likely will not see in in the main stream. I will see if I can find the info. God I love watching the left grab at air I guess he never read his citation then. Or he read it and sent his medal back - oh, no he didn't, he kept the medal. Or he could just be a liar.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 August 20, 2004 QuoteMr Thurlow says that he did not fill out the request for medal. (I believe that has been confirmed) Kerry submitted that request. Mr Thurlow believed he got his medal not for being under fire( which he has maintained for years!) but some else that slips my mind right now. You will have to dig for the reports because you most likely will not see in in the main stream. followed by... "God I love watching the left grab at air" [insert rolling eye smiley here] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 August 20, 2004 QuoteHell, voting shit heads into office is right after baseball as the national pasttime. Standing in line waiting to (pull a lever, punch a chad, check off a list, push a buttom) is so much more fun than watching or playing baseball. So it really should be right before rather than right after. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #24 August 20, 2004 "Standing in line waiting to (pull a lever, punch a chad, check off a list, push a buttom) is so much more fun than watching or playing baseball." Do you guys have beer and hot dogs at your polling stations? -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #25 August 20, 2004 Quote"Standing in line waiting to (pull a lever, punch a chad, check off a list, push a buttom) is so much more fun than watching or playing baseball." Do you guys have beer and hot dogs at your polling stations? I vote at home, by mail. Yes, I have beer readily available.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
