rhino 0 #1 February 21, 2002 What would you do? 14,000 feet in the air just having exited the aircraft. You and a buddy are pulling high and playing under canopy. He is to dump first then you. As he dumps you notice his chest strap not fastened as he is ejected from the harness. Now in freefall with your friend not wearing a rig. You are 175 out the door flying a Xaos98 loaded at 1.8. Your friend now weighs 140lbs without gear in freefall. You have a pd143 reserve. What would you do?The reason I ask this question is simple. I have caught 2 people ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PLANE with improperly routed OR NOT FASTENED chest straps. I make a point to check EVERYONE on the plane everytime I go up.What would you do?????????RhinoBlue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #2 February 21, 2002 Wave goodbye and cry a lot on the way down.Good point, look at your fellow jumpers gear when you're in the plane. Insist on a gear check before you leave and offer the same.pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #3 February 21, 2002 There's nothing much you could do especially if you had an RSL. If you dumped the reserve at terminal with 2 of you, a) he would'nt be able to hold on and b) the reserve would be shredded and you'd both be screwed. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #4 February 21, 2002 Back in the mid 80's I did several "Mr.Bill" dives that were taken to terminal before we deployed. It can be done so why not give it a shot for your buddy. The key to holding on is in the grips. All you have to do is ask whether or not a couple of possibly busted legs is worth your pals life...BSBDRainbo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #5 February 21, 2002 You think a Pd143R could take 2 people at terminal? I'm not so sure. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #6 February 21, 2002 What about the Xaos?? At 310 ish pounds that would be like loading it 3:1 or something.. Couldn't it take the opening shock?? Derek jumps a VX60 at more than 3:1.. How is that different?RhinoBlue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #7 February 21, 2002 Well, given the fact that neither canopy is rated for that high of a MSW, and both canopies would most likely explode on opening, I'd have to say that I too would let them go. I'd probably fly down to them though, staying just far enough away that they couldn't reach me, then point to my fastened chest strap and smile really big. Now if I was the other person in this equation, if I was falling without my gear and you were flying beside me taunting me, I'd track for your car."I love to EFS"Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 21, 2002 I read it as you were dumping first. It'd be a scary landing. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #9 February 21, 2002 I think I would grab him and give the main a shot. If it worked I would head for water and go in in breaks. If there was water anywhere around. I'd probably tell him to let go at 20 feet or so..If the main blew out.. I would probably have to let him go.. Hard to say..Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #10 February 21, 2002 This is kinda like trying to save a drowning person who keeps trying to take you down with them. Anyhow, I have often thought about this, although abet, with a pilot who doesn't have a rig in the airplane. Attempt a Mr. Bill deployment, a good number of this smaller canopies do have very soft opennings. Then, here is the tricky part, if there is no soft landing area, i.e. water, freshly plowed field.... Have him put his arms through the risers and cut-away. You now have your reserve, and his chances of surviving have dramatically improved. Alas, if people would learn good habits, checking their gear and everyone around them also, we would never have to discuss this! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haeloth 0 #11 February 21, 2002 What about a tree landing?The big problem I see is that the "passenger" may have to fall the last 6 meters from the treetops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #12 February 21, 2002 This was tried once and the pilot could not hang on and fell to his death. It was out of a porter a few years back (I believe it was in Israel but that's a vague guess on my part). But still, I think you have a better chance on a PD 143 than on a Raven. That's a whole nother thread. And thirdly, if I was going for water I would have them hang on till splash down. People have cutaway over water trying to be cool and misjudged their height. It killed them. The cutaway happened at more like 100 feet. And I hope I never have to actually try this. I just take the time and check people's chest straps as they get on or sit around me.Chris SchindlerD-19012ATP/CFIIwww.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADRNALN 0 #13 February 21, 2002 I would do the same give it a chance on the main but the reserve is for me, sorry dude! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #14 February 21, 2002 if you deployed the main and it blew ... would it not still have slowed you down enough that a quick cut/reserve deployment would have a good chance of not blowing the reserve? Hopefully it doesn't happen with me anytime soon ... lol ... not enough experience to necessarily be able to catch up with him in the first place ... especially with my lack of weight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #15 February 21, 2002 LMAO If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #16 February 21, 2002 QuoteWhat would you do?????????I hope never to have to see anything like this, but with a small canopy and going terminal velocity it's going to nearly impossible to hang on during deployment. I would probably pull ASAP so I wouldn't have to see the look on my buds face. Then I would land near his body and just yell at him for awhile for dieing.................Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #17 February 21, 2002 I thought it was the norm for jump pilots (especially for the single engine aircraft) to wear a bail out rig, just in case a main pops prematurely while a jumper is on the step and takes the tail off? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #18 February 21, 2002 Chris could probably give you the correct answer on this question. I *believe* it's something along the line of a pilot in a single engine plane, flying for the purpose of his passengers exiting before landing, must wear a bail out rig. In a multi-engine plane, he (or she) doesn't have to.Never argue with stupid people.They just drag you down 2 their level & beat you with experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #19 February 21, 2002 It all depends on the paper work done to make the plane jump legal. Most Cessnas have an inflight door. In the paperwork for the 337 (FAA form for modifications) it will state that all persons on board need to have an emergency parachute. This includes the pilot.I think a lot of it has to do with the statement (paraphrasing) all occupants in the "cabin" will wear an emergency chute. Since the pilot is in the Cabin in a 182, 205, 206, etc....they have to have it. BUT, any plane that has the chance of being taken out by a premature deployment over the horizontal stabilizer should wear an emergency bailout rig. Look at the accident in Australia where the pilot got out of a Cessna 208 Caravan at the last second after having the tail ripped off in just such a case. Casa's, Otter's, Skyvans have almost no chance of this happening. Now, people like to climb on the tail of the Otter and could PUT themselves in a position to foul out the tail with a premature.That help?Chris SchindlerD-19012ATP/CFIIwww.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEB6363 0 #20 February 21, 2002 1) Gear checks in the plane. 2) try for a grab and deploy the main.:::OK, Canopy is Open, No Traffic Around, .. Why are these "Extra" Lines Draping Down??, Damn! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #21 February 21, 2002 Well, I wouldn't be jumping a Xaos 98 for a start I'd have him grab on, I'd deploy the main and if it blows hope it slows us down enough to keep the reserve from blowing too. But I doubt he'd be able to hang on for the main deployment.But some chance is better than no chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #22 February 21, 2002 QuoteThat help?Yup.. cleared that up, thanks!Excellent site by the way. I don't even fly, but I found it interesting reading. Not to take this thread completely off topic, but I do have a question for you about the "Hooking" jump run - what does that do to seperation between jumpers? I've experienced a carving jump run at SDC before, and just assumed to leave an extra second between my group and the group in front of me. Is that what you expect the jumpers to do?Never argue with stupid people.They just drag you down 2 their level & beat you with experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #23 February 21, 2002 I saw the same sorta thing happen last night a couple of times. of course it was hollywood acting in the movie. Yep I was watching drop zone last night and I'm sorry that kind of shit do not be happening. Q- has anyone ever herd of an intentional blanketing? To answer your question rino if i had a large enough canopy I would try it but not if i had already deployed my main. An exception maybe if it was my wife or kid. both of which i dont have so so long dumb ass and watch out for my carBoys have a penis Girls have a vagina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0