E150 0 #26 April 5, 2002 Congratulations. Jump number? Did you deploy whilst in a 360 deg 200mph spin?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #27 April 5, 2002 > Congratulations. Jump number? 57> Did you deploy whilst in a 360 deg 200mph spin??No I don't do any of that freaky stuff. And I don't fall that fast.=================================I can smell your brains !================================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E150 0 #28 April 5, 2002 I ment horisontal 360deg spin speed. Your not THAT fat!!! LOL Oh BTW - were you still on your back when you deployed your reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #29 April 5, 2002 yes I was on my back when I pulled the reserve. Perhaps I need more practice.NOT !=================================I can smell your brains !================================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E150 0 #30 April 5, 2002 Your alive! Well done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rogue108 0 #31 April 5, 2002 Why don't we have 4 reserves? Why don't I rock climb with three ropes? Why don't I wear a helmet when I drive to work? Not to be a smartass, but all for the same reasons. We can only take so many precautions from things before they become unrealistic and unduly cumbersome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #32 April 5, 2002 and of course the ever poplular 'Why ask Why?'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #33 April 5, 2002 First of all the net is an EXCELLENT idea!! Or maybe make the swoop pond into jello!!2 reserves? It could be done. Possibly a small round that goes under your regular reserve? OR a flat, low profile reserve that goes on your belly? After you cut the other 2 canopies away with your hookknife you can deploy the low pro reserve? While in a spin, at 2 grand heading for the ground quickly while at the same time experiencing ground rush? If you miss the net? You might skip off of the swoop pond made of jello? Then hit the net? Who knows? Maybe a 2nd reserve would be possible for experienced jumpers. Did an intentional cutaway on Dereks rig with the belly mount.. To cut that main away all you had to do was pull a couple of tabs on the risers. That was easy enough.. No extra handles. But it adds more risks of course.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 558 #34 April 5, 2002 There is something to be said for keeping it simple.For example, tandem rigs have twice as many handles as sport rigs. Roughly 1/3 of the dead tandem masters pulled handles out of sequence or forgot to pull handles.More handles equal more chances to mess up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #35 April 5, 2002 Plus it's twice as many reserves all you riggers have to pack !! When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #36 April 5, 2002 Better yet let the jumpers pack their own 2nd chance low pro reserves! Now we are living on the edge!!I can hear it now.. DUUUUDE!! I got a save todaaaay!! Wiiiicked!! Forgot the main, forgot the first reserve, went straight for my 40 sqft round.. Went right into the jello swoop pond!! It was RAAAADICAL!!! BEER!! LMFAORhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,400 #37 April 5, 2002 >why would you need another AAD? I dont see why you would. The 2nd reserve >would not be connected to the AAD, only the 1st would.If that were the case, then pulling one wrong handle (1st reserve cutaway) would disable the AAD. As I've had two students do just that, such a system would reduce our safety margins.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,400 #38 April 5, 2002 >I think there was a recent thread about Rob Harris.....not quite the same> situation, but not that far from it......didn't work out so well for him....There's> something to be said for simplicity.....To be fair, Rob was doing an extraordinary skydive and had perhaps the kludgiest possible tersh system (intentional-cutaway risers.) But yes, I agree that simple is good.Not to add fuel to the fire, but this is also an argument for SOS. Hard to screw up that system.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markbaur 0 #39 April 5, 2002 If you want another parachute, you can have another parachute. Your local rigger can sew a couple D-rings to the front of your harness, and you can attach your chest-mount there. In case of partial malfunction, you can hand-deploy the whole canopy -- remember, peel open the flaps, grab as much fabric as you can, plus gobs of lines, then throw the whole mess down and in the direction of the spin.Been there, done that. Good luck.Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #40 April 5, 2002 Quoteyou can attach your chest-mount thereNever mind all the other skydivers pointing and laughing as you walk to the plane. Oh, never ask why you're not invited on loads either."Homer Simpson, smiling politely." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #41 April 5, 2002 FF could be fun with that mounted on your front as well When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rgoper 0 #42 April 5, 2002 no dave, a gigantic AIR BAG! yeah, yeah, that's the ticket! to answer your question newbie, you DO NOT want to risk a "3 out" situation....EVERRichard"I've Got More Time Than Money" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #43 April 5, 2002 A 2-out downplane with a 3rd, a Lo-Po 26' draggin up the middle. That would be one of the stranger incident reports..."Homer Simpson, smiling politely." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #44 April 5, 2002 If you have 3 out, it shows that you can't handle that many canopies anyway. When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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rogue108 0 #31 April 5, 2002 Why don't we have 4 reserves? Why don't I rock climb with three ropes? Why don't I wear a helmet when I drive to work? Not to be a smartass, but all for the same reasons. We can only take so many precautions from things before they become unrealistic and unduly cumbersome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #32 April 5, 2002 and of course the ever poplular 'Why ask Why?'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #33 April 5, 2002 First of all the net is an EXCELLENT idea!! Or maybe make the swoop pond into jello!!2 reserves? It could be done. Possibly a small round that goes under your regular reserve? OR a flat, low profile reserve that goes on your belly? After you cut the other 2 canopies away with your hookknife you can deploy the low pro reserve? While in a spin, at 2 grand heading for the ground quickly while at the same time experiencing ground rush? If you miss the net? You might skip off of the swoop pond made of jello? Then hit the net? Who knows? Maybe a 2nd reserve would be possible for experienced jumpers. Did an intentional cutaway on Dereks rig with the belly mount.. To cut that main away all you had to do was pull a couple of tabs on the risers. That was easy enough.. No extra handles. But it adds more risks of course.. Rhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #34 April 5, 2002 There is something to be said for keeping it simple.For example, tandem rigs have twice as many handles as sport rigs. Roughly 1/3 of the dead tandem masters pulled handles out of sequence or forgot to pull handles.More handles equal more chances to mess up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #35 April 5, 2002 Plus it's twice as many reserves all you riggers have to pack !! When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #36 April 5, 2002 Better yet let the jumpers pack their own 2nd chance low pro reserves! Now we are living on the edge!!I can hear it now.. DUUUUDE!! I got a save todaaaay!! Wiiiicked!! Forgot the main, forgot the first reserve, went straight for my 40 sqft round.. Went right into the jello swoop pond!! It was RAAAADICAL!!! BEER!! LMFAORhino Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #37 April 5, 2002 >why would you need another AAD? I dont see why you would. The 2nd reserve >would not be connected to the AAD, only the 1st would.If that were the case, then pulling one wrong handle (1st reserve cutaway) would disable the AAD. As I've had two students do just that, such a system would reduce our safety margins.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #38 April 5, 2002 >I think there was a recent thread about Rob Harris.....not quite the same> situation, but not that far from it......didn't work out so well for him....There's> something to be said for simplicity.....To be fair, Rob was doing an extraordinary skydive and had perhaps the kludgiest possible tersh system (intentional-cutaway risers.) But yes, I agree that simple is good.Not to add fuel to the fire, but this is also an argument for SOS. Hard to screw up that system.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markbaur 0 #39 April 5, 2002 If you want another parachute, you can have another parachute. Your local rigger can sew a couple D-rings to the front of your harness, and you can attach your chest-mount there. In case of partial malfunction, you can hand-deploy the whole canopy -- remember, peel open the flaps, grab as much fabric as you can, plus gobs of lines, then throw the whole mess down and in the direction of the spin.Been there, done that. Good luck.Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #40 April 5, 2002 Quoteyou can attach your chest-mount thereNever mind all the other skydivers pointing and laughing as you walk to the plane. Oh, never ask why you're not invited on loads either."Homer Simpson, smiling politely." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #41 April 5, 2002 FF could be fun with that mounted on your front as well When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #42 April 5, 2002 no dave, a gigantic AIR BAG! yeah, yeah, that's the ticket! to answer your question newbie, you DO NOT want to risk a "3 out" situation....EVERRichard"I've Got More Time Than Money" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #43 April 5, 2002 A 2-out downplane with a 3rd, a Lo-Po 26' draggin up the middle. That would be one of the stranger incident reports..."Homer Simpson, smiling politely." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #44 April 5, 2002 If you have 3 out, it shows that you can't handle that many canopies anyway. When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
