WonderBoy 0 #1 June 4, 2002 O.k I need to take a poll to see what everyone thinks.Packer A at your home DZ gets into a huge screaming arguement with Packer B in the packing room with several people in there to witness. Packer A is the one who does most of the screaming. After the arguement, Packer B leaves the packing room for about 20 minutes. He comes back to find his personal rig (which was packed and hanging on the rack) he finds it laying on the floor, unpacked, flipped around, lines messy, etc.... but no "real" harm done to it (like no lines were cut or anything like that).Later finds out that Packer A (by her own admission) is the one who did it. SHE did it because she was mad and wanted to cause him time delay (having to pack his own rig again) but she had no intentions of harm.I say that if anyone messed with my rig without my permission, especially if they messed with it while they were mad at me and did it in anger, I would have to kick their ass until they cried like a little bitch, then I would want them fired off the Drop Zone. Would you want someone like that in your packing room around your rig?What do you think?Fire her or let her stay? Fire the bitch Let her stayThanks for you input! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #2 June 4, 2002 Fired! Not only immature, but also unprofessional and potentially dangerous. If she was that pissed at him, then she should have just drug his ass outside and beat the hell out of him. Work sucks. Let's skydive! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 June 4, 2002 You know, I get a little distraught when someone gives me a pin check with out me having asked for one, much less totally messing with my rig like that. Its one thing if my gear is in someone's way and they move *gently* aside, its a whole-nother ballgame when someone does something like that.Personally, I would say "Read the nametag, you're in my world grandma..." and discipline the packer. I'm a person that believes in giving people chances, so I would give this person another chance, but let her know that if ANYthing even remotely similar to something like this happened again, her ass would be on the street.That's just bad juju.AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #4 June 4, 2002 Well...if Packers A and B are in a relationship and Packer A was yelling about Packer B having had relations with Packer X in Packers A and B's bed, then Packer B probably deserved it and got off easy. If Packer A and Packer B are not in a relationship, Packer B should calmly explain to Packer A that this was very irresponsible and should never happen again. But only after Packer A removes the packing paddle from her ass! FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderBoy 0 #5 June 4, 2002 What if she works at a DZ that you visit AggieDave, (and she does) would you let her pack you still?Don't worry, cameras were set up in the packing room the day of the incident. Shouldn't have come down to that. I think that you should be able to trust your packers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderBoy 0 #6 June 4, 2002 They are not in a relationship, and they were arguing about regular "packer" issues, (you know, who packed the last tandem rig and whose turn is it to pack the 170 instead of the 230).And if she were a he, Packer B said he would have already kicked her ass.As would I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 June 4, 2002 You're right, immediately following that incident, I would be relunctant to let her pack for me I wasn't watching, but if I was going to watch the packjob, then I might as well pack it myself.Maybe a month probation or something like that, I tend to be a forgiving type and would in a short time let her pack for me again.What is her past record like? Fairly good? No cutaways? How long has she been packing? Does she act like this very often? Maybe she had a momentary brain collapsing brain fart in the heat of the moment that was further aggrivated by her dog, cat, gerbil and 12 of her closest friends all getting hit by a freak astroid or something. You never know.AerialsSo up highWhen you free your lives (the) eternal prize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #8 June 4, 2002 Easy answer... Stay out of Dropzone politics.... Unless you suddenly think this paker will kill you their behaivor did'nt effect you at all so ignore it. Blinders are a great thing sometimes....And cameras in a packing area? What dz is this so I can avoid it.....If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderBoy 0 #9 June 4, 2002 Well, most of the employees that deal with her on a regular basis can't stand her and say that she is the biggest bitch they have ever known. People who don't deal with her on a regular basis think she is a nice person.I don't deal with her everyday and thought she was nice until I saw her EXPLODE on one of the other employees a few weeks before this other "incident". So I think she just has two very different sides to herself.If she can't control her anger, then she has no business packing rigs that save peoples lives. (my opinion anyway) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlie 0 #10 June 4, 2002 I'd arm them with cans of whipped cream and a wet t-shirt contest to cool them off! Yeah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diver123 0 #11 June 4, 2002 I say all the staff for the dropzone in question should sit down and have a meeting regarding the issue. Then, based on the results, the owner (or her employer) should have the final say in the matter. However, if the employer choses to keep her employed they should definitely re-visit their local policies no such items and ammend them accordingly so as to prevent this type of thing again..."pull high! It's lower than you think..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #12 June 4, 2002 If I was the DZO I would probably get both packer A&B togethter in a room ,find out what the hell was going on and then ground both of them for a couple weeks......and that means niether of them packing for the DZ while on suspention....Then I'd take packer A aside by myself and let him/her know that if they ever did anything like that again him/her would be gone for good!!!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #13 June 4, 2002 I'll be scared of any packer that explodes in anger and shows it in someone's rig, no matter what kind of bad intention she had (lethal or non lethal), its just not right.If I was packer B I would repack and inspect the reserve, and the complete rig, then charge it to her."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #14 June 4, 2002 Um, well, the thing wouldn't let me vote...said it already had a vote from this ISP...and there is already one vote for fire her, which is what I was trying to vote for...But I hadn't voted. Hey, something is really wrong here. I just noticed that the little buttons aren't in english...it says:E-maila alla svar till min riktiga e-mail adressandJag vill forhandsgranska mitt inlagg och/eller bifoga en filWTF is going on? And I haven't even had a drink! My computer is speaking another language...Quite puzzled hereMicheleLife is what you make it; always was, always will be.~Grandma Moses~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cockroach 0 #15 June 4, 2002 Pack your own shit and fire them both!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haeloth 0 #16 June 4, 2002 Quote E-maila alla svar till min riktiga e-mail adress Jag vill förhandsgranska mitt inlägg och/eller bifoga en fil. dz.com in Swedish? wtf?Nobody expects the...um...the Spanish...um... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #17 June 4, 2002 People who don't deal with her on a regular basis think she is a nice person--------------------------------------------------------------------------I swear that my brother dated this girl(didnt we all)!!fired on the spot--but if I ran the DZ I would have regular "meeting" (call them what you want) to get the view of the PPL working for me. and I would talk as much as possible to the customers. there are always layers of shit you have to sift through. but I would have made it clear that "this is a place for having fun.living free. and skydiving. under NO circumstances will you "vent" during work hours. save it til we close and it will be discussed and handled."some may call it professionalism I call it being an ADULT! keep the politics being closed doors. after all when we speak of politics...someone is getting "fucked" so close the door!nobody benefits when the gossip column gets started ANYWHERE but especially at the DZ! in essence that what this post is too! read my original Signature block...Have fun, Live Free, Skydive.( thats the order I live my life, they all lead to the last word)Life's a bitch, and I'm her Pimp!JThttp://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #18 June 4, 2002 If someone touches my rig they are in for an ass woopin, much less unpacking it...I'd hold them at hook knife point until my rig was packed perfectly, then I'd take her packing money, and buy beer and jumps... Then I'd fire her.. lolOr course packers tend to be territorial or something.. No reason not to be civil about things.. Good old fashioned brawl could fix it Blue Skies ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomblin 0 #19 June 4, 2002 Quote If someone touches my rig they are in for an ass woopin, much less unpacking it... Amen!Quote Then I'd fire her.. Is there really such a lack of competent packers around the DZ that firing her or not firing her is an issue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #20 June 4, 2002 I would rather pack my own chute ( and do on all but 4 jumps) then wonder if the chemically unstable packer is "doing" my rig! what if you pissed her off?!pack your own and KNOW that you are in good hands!Life's a bitch, and I'm her Pimp!JThttp://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #21 June 4, 2002 Sounds like she needs one of two things#1 Prozac or Midol#2 To get laid....Personally, If she has been doing well so far and she just got out of hand one day. No big deal. Chew her ass for 15 minutes or so and then put her back to work. She may learn from the experience and be better off for it. Next time....she would be gone without a word. "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #22 June 4, 2002 by "gone" do you mean "locked in your basement to undergo a bit of the ultra-violence?"Life's a bitch, and I'm her Pimp!JThttp://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #23 June 4, 2002 Quotelocked in your basement to undergo a bit of the ultra-violence"Give her the old in and out" "Here I come to save the BOOBIES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WonderBoy 0 #24 June 4, 2002 O.k., I guess I am just over reacting here.......I guess if she screamed at me and in front of other people, then in anger destroyed my pack job and leaving me with the insecurity that something "Might" be wrong with my rig and I may die the next time I jump..........I guess I would give her another chance too....... (Yeah right)Sorry, I just can't see that happening.She hasn't apologized to Packer B yet, in fact she is still acting like she can't stand the guy.o.k I'm done venting again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #25 June 4, 2002 hahahathat was to Clays post.but I agree with you wonderboy 100%Life's a bitch, and I'm her Pimp!JThttp://community.webshots.com/user/jtval100 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
