drenaline 0 #1 June 15, 2002 I have no idea where to put this poll.Have you ever got unintentional two canopies out (the reserve and the main) at the same time? How many jumps you had (if its yes) and how you knew what to do. If its no, tell me how much jumps you have and if you know what to do if it happens.Have you ever had two canopies out at the same time (main and reserve)? Yes No "Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurf808 0 #2 June 15, 2002 1900 jumpsNever had two out.Don't know if there's really a concrete answer to this one. imho it would depend on the situation.My personal plan:Canopies side by side~ I might try to steer main away from reserve using front risers. IF it clears I would cut-away main.Main in front of Reserve~ I flying straight I wouldn't touch a thing and go where ther take me. Unless of course I found my self in a down plane, which I would cut away from dependant on altitude."This is the 4th time I've been late for work this week!!...and it's only Tuesday!" ...Cheech and Chong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #3 June 15, 2002 I answered no. Do I know what to do? I took the FJC, I listened to my instructors and JMs, I read the SIM, and I have been quizzed by the DZO while I was waiting to board the plane. I have the theory but I don't have the practice. I obviously can't go and give myself two canopies out just to practice, but I can do CRW to learn how two canopies will handle in a biplane, side-by-side, downplane, etc.This is being discussed right now in the Safety and Training forum. Check it out.--Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #4 June 15, 2002 How many jumps you have?My answer is No, 35 jumps.What to do? disconnect RSL, downplane cutaway; side by side disconnect RSL and release if everything looks good; bi-plane fly the bigger canopy. And land all of them with PLF."Life is full of danger, so why be afraid?"drenaline Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #5 June 15, 2002 I have not had 2 canopies out, but I saw a relatively new jumper deal with a touchy situation a few months ago.... He apparently brought it down low enough to have his AAD fire after he deployed his main. So it's trailing along in the bag without enough force to pull it out....until he picks up a little speed.....on a turn at only a couple hundred feet at the most. 2 out.... Almost immediately they downplane! Jumper did great and cut away immediately. Thought he demonstrated some real steady nerves there....I doubt he has a hundred jumps....Just thought I'd share~LindseyYa' know Smack-water Jack he bought a shotgun'cause he was in the mood for a little con-fron-ta-tion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 June 15, 2002 Unless of course I found my self in a down plane, which I would cut away from dependant on altitude.**********************************************************************Just curious why altitude would factor into your decision to cut away from a downplane? If you are in a downplane, you are gonna hit the ground hard unless you cut away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #7 June 15, 2002 If I'm in a down plane at 3000 feet.... I'll ride it a bit, make sure its not tangled, then chop it. At 300 feet... chop and pray its clear.Cajun had a double out within his first 25 jumps if I rember right. I've seen 3 double outs and 2 times its been due to the AAD (1 FXC 12000 and 1 Cypres) firing after the jumper tossed the main. The third one was freaky that the jumper deployed unstable and the main knocked the reserve pin out as it deployed. Thats 3 in 2 years I've seen....Drop the tube...DROP the tube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurf808 0 #8 June 15, 2002 Just curious why altitude would factor into your decision to cut away from a downplane? If you are in a downplane, you are gonna hit the ground hard unless you cut away_________________________________________________I've witnessed a guy with 20 jumps ride a down plane in that started right around 80-100 ft. He broke is ankle. That was it. When I say altitude I'm talking about 100' or below. I mean, if my canopies start to down plane at 50' I might strike mother earth at a slower rate of speed by staying with what I got rather cut away at 50'. This is just my humble opinion (I welcome other thoughts on this). It would certainly have to be a very quick decision made and a situation I'd rather never find myself in.Now if they start to down plane around 100' or above HELL YES!! I'm cutting away. Just read Lindsey's post above^^^^^^^^^^^...chopping it might just save my life!!! ~Peace"This is the 4th time I've been late for work this week!!...and it's only Tuesday!" ...Cheech and Chong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #9 June 15, 2002 Quote What to do? disconnect RSL Why disconnect the RSL if the reserve is already out? Adrenaline Junkie Skydive Monkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #10 June 15, 2002 Parachutist (the font of all abridged knowledge) had an article about this a few years back. I believe they suggested cutting away a side-by-side arrangement and flying the bigger of the two in a biplane. flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurf808 0 #11 June 15, 2002 but what if I have a 120/120 in my container???"This is the 4th time I've been late for work this week!!...and it's only Tuesday!" ...Cheech and Chong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #12 June 15, 2002 The answer is obvious, but due to my self-imposed restriction of never posting twice to the same thread, I am prohibited. "So, son, you're going to become a philosophy major. Hope the big philosophy firms are hiring when you graduate."flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #13 June 15, 2002 Yes. 3 times. All three times a Sentinel AAD fired high. All three times I successfully cut away the main and landed the reserve.See my thread on Jumping AADs: http:// http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forums/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=forumsafetytraining&Number=162366&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post162366 Also see the PIA report on dual canopy scenarios. I was there when some of the testing was going on. I am at a loss to find the website. Can anyone help??Respectfully,SP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #14 June 15, 2002 There's a pdf on the PD web site here Adrenaline Junkie Skydive Monkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravitysurf808 0 #15 June 15, 2002 See thread by clicking Here"...and then they took away my Swingline stapler" ~ Office Space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #16 June 15, 2002 QuoteWhat to do? disconnect RSL, downplane cutaway; side by side disconnect RSL and release if everything looks good; bi-plane fly the bigger canopy. And land all of them with PLF.How are you going to fly the bigger canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
judedre 0 #17 June 15, 2002 i was always taught if there touching leave em alone and land it if there NOT touchin OR start to seperate Cutaway, i have no rsl so i dont have to worry bout that..300 jumps never had a mal never had 2 out... touch wood Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #18 June 15, 2002 That's what I was taught too.. (AND NO PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE TO SPEAK FROM) touching, leave alone.... IIRC With a side by side, they would probaby seperate at some point giving you an opportunity to cut the main away.. I also wonderign about disconnecting the RSL if the reserve is out, why would we want to do it?Lastly, the terminology tht was used for me was to fly the more DOMINANT canopy, is that always going to be the larger of the two? the INTERNET comes in any color you'd like Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #19 June 15, 2002 QuoteI also wonderign about disconnecting the RSL if the reserve is out, why would we want to do it?You wouldn't. Disconnecting the RSL after the reserve is out is only wasting precious seconds in an already dangerous situation. I'm guessing he got this after reading the SIM and not fully understanding it. The point is, it takes more than reading the SIM to survive in this sport.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #20 June 15, 2002 I got this PM about why you should disconnect the RSL in a 2 out situation (hope you don't mind me posting it mate)."Alex, on a racer if you have 2 out and they downplane the RSL will choke the reserve and you will be left with one huge streamer. A lot of instructors teach to disconnect the RSL incase the student ever ends up on a Racer. " Adrenaline Junkie Skydive Monkey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danhole 0 #21 June 15, 2002 Had two out once. Side by side. I didn't spend a lot of time looking at them. They were clear and I cut the main away. land fine under my reserve. Why hang around waiting for a problem?P.S the poll dosn't work :( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #22 June 15, 2002 Yep.. and also on an Racer if you chop a double out with a normal RSL it can snag on a helmet and then you have the main entangled with you tooDrop the tube...DROP the tube... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 June 15, 2002 Does anyone even buy Racers anymore?I see fewer and fewer of them as time goes on.....-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blondeflyer7 0 #24 June 15, 2002 I have had a extremely good friend of mine that I knew since 1984 he deployed his parachute and nothing but bag came out then he cut away. His reserve opened but his main bag came down and hit him in the face. needless to say he was scared shitless. lines were crossed and he had just enough play on his left side to bring it in. Things are very serious in this sport especially when it hits home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #25 June 15, 2002 I had 2 canopies out on my 9th jump ever. The ripcord had a notch in it, and I had a hard pull. Immediately went to reserve (good training!), and the opening shock of the reserve knocked the main ripcord out, and the main opened.It essentially opened into a downplane, so it was obvious I had to cut it away. Even on student gear, downplanes are quick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
