AggieDave 6 #76 February 27, 2003 Quote At one point, I contacted the financial aid folk for assistence, and the same issues applied...ethnicity, no children, and age Hearing this really upsets me. Its sadly true around the country... Someday we'll meet so I can give you a hug. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #77 February 27, 2003 So who are the illegal aliens?-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #78 February 27, 2003 All the Central and South Americans, Asians, etc. that are trying to make their way to the U.S. or that come here looking for jobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #79 February 27, 2003 I feel your pain....many of those same concerns apply to financial aid for education. If you are a foreign national it is very easy to get education assistance. For myself, the government apparently felt my family had a lot of money they should be spending on me. I am not saying foreign exchange students are not deserving of assistance. But perhaps our own children should get more then they are currently. Unfortunately, factors like that almost always play a factor to publicity value. I keep saying it boils down to the time when responsibility for individual actions started diminishing. Now you cannot tell someone they did not get the same as everyone else because the made bad decisions, or did not study, etc. etc. That would hurt their feelings, that would mean you are biased against them.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #80 February 27, 2003 Michelle, how much money did you have left over after being out of work and paying the bills. Don't forget to include what you've recouped since or help from family. Don't answer, but think about that and the fact that the gross national income per capita for Mexico is $5,450 US dollars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,341 #81 February 27, 2003 QuoteAs for the the USA today thing, just like freefliers and cameras: no link, it did not happen. My very first post here asked for links. Some people still actually pick up a paper and read it over breakfast. I'll see if the online version has the same info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #82 February 27, 2003 Oh, and I almost forgot: the U.S. citizens that live in our coastline without a proper visa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enrique 0 #83 February 27, 2003 think about that and the fact that the gross national income per capita for Mexico is $5,450 US dollars.*** And he's not kidding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #84 February 27, 2003 If that is the case, I would have no problem with them not being eligible for the same treatment, ie transplants, as Mexican citizens. Skydekker: I was half teasing. But after all you are on an electronic forum.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,341 #85 February 27, 2003 QuoteSkydekker: I was half teasing. But after all you are on an electronic forum. -- I tried to find teh article online, but it was just a little side article and I guess is not carried in the online version. BTW, I have also nmot been able to find an article specifically stating that she is sueing! Michele, Your story is a true hartbreaker. Unfortunately it is a product of your own country, something most americans are very proud of. Many americans laugh at the social networks in place in many other countries and the costs associated with them. It sure would have helped you though. I wonder how many of the dz.com skydivers would be willing to see their taxes increased to set up a social network to help people like yourself or have a national healthcare system? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #86 February 27, 2003 This is also a very complicated issue, precipitated by global market decisions that many of us fought. http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=1528#market Those same decisions that are making the Mexican economy worse are making our economy worse. However, that does not really effect the original idea of this thread which asked about the care provided based on an ethical/moral standpoint.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #87 February 27, 2003 All depends on who administers it now doesn't it? As I pointed out earlier with my Germany example; many countries that have been praised for their advanced socialist solutions are getting hammered by the global economy, just like we are.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #88 February 27, 2003 Quote Michelle, how much money did you have left over after being out of work and paying the bills. Don't forget to include what you've recouped since or help from family. Don't answer, but think about that and the fact that the gross national income per capita for Mexico is $5,450 US dollars O.K., Kev...you really want to know? Here's the breakdown. Income earned: $16,253.00 Medical expenses (after discount): $10,940 (+ a few I haven't paid yet) Monthy bills: Minimum $1,400 (annual total: $16,800) Professional dues and expenses: $2,100 annual, paid by March (including E&O insurance) Help from my family: $4,500 (as much as Dad could...he paid my rent). Therefore: Total income: $20,753 (gross) Total outgo: $29,840 And I haven't paid my taxes yet - don't forget, I'm an IC, and thus irrespective of income level, I owe Social Security tax, which is about 15% of my total income, which, this year, amounts to +/- $2,475. Quotehow much money did you have left over None. As a matter of fact, I am in debt to the tune of $11, 562... Feel better? And you all wondered why it was hard for me to jump last year! LOL!!!! As for recouping, this year's just begun. And I am working my tail off, and managing to make some slight dents into the debt load. But that really doesn't apply. I gotta say, Kev, your post really pissed me off. I know that wasn't intended, and you were using me to illustrate a point...but really, Kev...here's the info. Double check the math...it was a very difficult year for me. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #89 February 27, 2003 I understand that...and I did say "don't answer", it was rhetorical. You mentioned looking at the big picture. Well, you had a tough year economically, and that sucks, I mean that. But, look at your monthly bills of $1400. I'm assuming that was for your essentials. Now imagine trying to purchase those essentials with $5000 a year, every year, for the rest of your life. Your being upset that poor mexican immigrants received free medical assitance when you did not is comparable to a millionaire being upset that an inner city kid got a scholarship when his kid didn't. And I'm willing to bet that even with your accumulated debt, you lived and will continue to live in a much more comfortable life style. I'm not saying you're not also deserving of help, but not everyone can be helped, lines have to be drawn somewhere. And I think looking at someone's economic status and standard of living is a better gauge than basing it on color or country of origin. The bottom line is you had the ability to pay for what you needed, you had to suffer and struggle some, but the people who should get the assistance are those who have absolutely no ability to pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #90 February 27, 2003 I would agree with you if I thought that is really what was happening. As she mentioned before many other factors came into it including ethnicity, dependents, etc. Furthermore, you are erroneously overlooking that fact that cost of living is much much cheaper in Mexico. Additionally, the original objection was to an ILLEGAL poor person, not a poor US citizen. Using your logic, without alteration, all the people in Mexico would be getting healthcare before any US citizens. You want to raise them all to our standard of living? Then I laugh at you and you silly English kkknnnigggggiitttsss, for we have no entered the fantasy realm.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,341 #91 February 27, 2003 Quotemany countries that have been praised for their advanced socialist solutions are getting hammered by the global economy, just like we are Actually, countries like Holland and Canada (two I am familiar with) are not being hammered by the global economy. As a matter of fact, the Canadian economy is flying right now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #92 February 27, 2003 It would be interesting to study the differences between those thriving and not. My guess would be those that for some sociopolitical reason have to integrate a lower class are struggling.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #93 February 27, 2003 Michele, I can so relate to the out of pocket expenses that you have gone through. A little over five years ago, I didn't have health insurance and was diagnosed with breast cancer. Even being a single mother of two, I had a hell of a time getting my expenses discounted, and not all of them were discounted. I'm talking all the different doctor's visits with five different doctors. Add on surgery, chemo, radiation treatments, and bone marrow treatments. Ugh I'm still paying them off. IMO, American's need to take care of each other. May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #94 February 27, 2003 If your going to start kicking out people start packing your bags pal cause your going to, If we would do that the only people here is going to be Mexicans and Native indians! Rember this country was taken by force! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #95 February 27, 2003 "America, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave. Send Me Your Tired, Sick And Hungry" a lot of what's going on, we did to ourselves, i hate it as well, and "so it goes"--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #96 February 27, 2003 You want to know about outrage! How about working 60hr weeks without over time ,no insurance,no workers comp? And on top of that they take taxs out of that and at the end of the year you can't claim what they took out??? All I hear out of this country is bitching!!!I'm a very PROUD to be MEXICAN. I don't hear you crying about all these people on welfare,free housing,free medicare,food stamps, teenage girls having babys we all pay for??? Were's your outrage now???? Why should i pay for people who do not want to work?? As for the family that lost the girl i hope they sue the crap out of the hospital. I see you don't care the girl lost here life,your too worried about that she was illegal!! Just because she is not from here means she should lose here life?? Being selfish is a bad thing pal.You need to expand your thoughts for other people!! WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE NO MATTER WHERE YOUR FROM! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,792 #97 February 27, 2003 >As for the family that lost the girl i hope they sue the crap out of the hospital. Would you feel bad for the 100 families who lose their little girls because the hospital is sued out of existence? Or is it really all about money and not about lives saved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #98 February 27, 2003 Quote As she mentioned before many other factors came into it including ethnicity, dependents, etc. I agree, that's wrong. Quote Furthermore, you are erroneously overlooking that fact that cost of living is much much cheaper in Mexico. Not in an equal ratio to the reduced income, not even close. Quote Additionally, the original objection was to an ILLEGAL poor person, not a poor US citizen. Using your logic, without alteration, all the people in Mexico would be getting healthcare before any US citizens. You want to raise them all to our standard of living? I don't judge the value of human life based on man made, arbitrary borders and government. I don't think that we should foot the bill for the world or bring the entire world to a single standard of living. But morally, if someone has the ability to get access to medical care, I don't care where they are from or their legal status, we're talking about human life. Quote Then I laugh at you and you silly English kkknnnigggggiitttsss, for we have no entered the fantasy realm Be off with you, or I shall taunt you a second time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,341 #99 February 27, 2003 QuoteWould you feel bad for the 100 families who lose their little girls because the hospital is sued out of existence? Or is it really all about money and not about lives saved? Great point Bill. Problem is, majority of Americans do not agree with you, or some form of legislative change would be made in the compensation structure (no cure, no pay) of lawyers...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyz 0 #100 February 27, 2003 No because they are not mexican! Cause that is all your hearing here,Just because she was here illegaly she deserved to die! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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